The Vent Club

The irony of a rabid DMC fanboy (who writes essays over how deep and special combos are) calling others “short dick” is not lost on me.

Gave the guy a headsup of this forum, I've seen him around a few times. Guy seems alright!

I massively overestimated how seriously people take KH2's gameplay; I thought it was one of the exceptions to the whole "gameplay barely matters" take that you see about RPGs all the time, and one of the times people actually take the combat in an RPG seriously, because I see people hyping up KH2's combat all the time, and doing level 1 critical runs... But then I realize it's only an exception to a still-niche circle.

Like every game, it really just depends in what circles you go. If we'd get a room of 10.000 randoms you'd be hard pressed to even have a single person know what KH2 is, let alone have played it on lvl1.crit. Hell we'd be lucky if 50% of them know who Mario is haha.

I understand if you love DMC4 and you are able to use all of its mechanics, but if you talk about improbable comparisons with languages or have that tone... yeah, you have a restrictive view on the genre and the way you argue is "hilarious". I'm not a GameFAQs expert but I started to read some old topics there and this DMC4 guy represents a certain demographic which doesn't align with most of the users of this forum.

>KH
It's strange how Souls are revered for their difficulty and I found KH1 so much harder and interesting on Proud. On Normal it's probably too easy so it's considered a kids' game. Disney characters don't help, of course.

>calling others “short dick”

He's massively projecting. The whole essay reeks of it.

>language comparison

I've come across some who think DMC4 is comparable to playing piano at high level too. They're absolutley insane.

>about style and creative expression

RPGs with builds have more creativity than an action game will ever have. DMC4 was way too limited in that regard for me. Lucifer was the only thing that really suited me.

>found KH1 on Proud harder and more interesting than Souls

Oh?

>That said I'm sure 5does and SBK are happy to know that they've triggered a guy so much by proxy of just shitposting.
https://i.servimg.com/u/f54/20/22/89/43/tenor10.gif

>The irony of a rabid DMC fanboy (who writes essays over how deep and special combos are) calling others “short dick” is not lost on me.
Reminder that their most used insult is scrub or casual.

>DMC4 boomer aerial boomer dances are equal to learning an language.
Languages have objective rules, ones that the further you stray from, the dumber you'll sound. You can't freestyle language and court a mexican lady by calling her a Puta, you have to call her a charming señorita and this is where the comparison falls apart. Everytime you're using language you're using it for X reasons and the smarter/better at reading people you are, the better will be the response you'll get for let's say... min/maxing your language skills. DMC4 combos on another hand rely on a set of a really few objective tech used together in any way you want to create a subjective impression on whoever is watching you, you could argue that you're min/maxing the tech to convey the message of coolness but it just isn't the fucking same, most of the time people watching DMC combos don't care about how hard certain tech is, just if it looks cool or not. Everything is so fucking subjective to be actually compared to learning languages that a more accurate comparison of DMC4 combos would be that you are a extremely skilled monkey that knows a few human words and you're trying to live in human society by chaining nothing but the few words you've mastered in attempt that someone will get what you have to say.

>It's strange how Souls are revered for their difficulty and I found KH1 so much harder and interesting on Proud.
Because casuals don't do multiple playtroughs. Souls is what it is to them because people couldn't switch to easy, also it isn't hard enough for people to pull out the artificial difficulty meme.

>You can't freestyle language and court a mexican lady by calling her a Puta, you have to call her a charming señorita and this is where the comparison falls apart.

I'm not Mexican, but as a native Spanish speaker, yes, this is correct.

>Shadow and my boy riling up some dork blogger over Nero the Zero's gayme
Neat.

>Cereal focused on Roy's little boy
What's all this now? He a scorned love interest? That what the death threats are about?

>language
Thinks a bit too highly of the jargon associated with the run work.

> love interest
The only man this man loves is Nero.

> death threats
Nawh those were about the Depth vs Complexity article few years back. I wish my dad saved the letter (it was sent to their adress).

>only man
Ladyboy.

>this man
Man-child.

>Nero
Zero.

>those were about
Same jilted lover, yes?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/79433455#38

It’s amazing how so many people who frequent forums for video games are incapable of comprehending ANYTHING about them. It’s like 1 in every 100,000 people understand any kind of mechanical talk. Fucking insane.

I know it’s a general board but my god. How the fuck can you just go “lol no u” to blatant facts about a game’s mechanics.

Stop.

There's no point talking with these pieces of shit. None.

It all boils down to making an uniformed public statement as fact. They cannot backpedal as it means something worse than death; being wrong about a video game. The majority of GameFAGs users are narcissists so they create bubbles where they're always right.

You will stop. That's an order. I will be watching.

I saw that.

I'm not touching the D2016vsEternal talk on that site. Had it a few times before and it just spirals constantly. "You need to weapon swap now", no you don't, most people barely do it. Most high level players only use 2 weapons "well they suck!" yeah well so do you.

Okay, I’m officially done. Not engaging these clowns anymore. Don’t have the time or patience.

>need to weapon swap
One of the most bizarre things I see. “You need to change weapons, so the game is strategic”. Wait a second, how is a game forcing you to do certain things strategic? Coming up with your own tactics is strategic. The argument doesn’t make sense in this case anyway, since the game only “makes” you weapon swap due to the stupidly low ammo count. It’s not even the issue we bring up in most cases.

Good.

It doesn't matter what they say. Whether or not they 'won'. These arguments and games are all these degens have.

It's like trying to talk Knack 2 seriously. You can't. They just scream memes or tell you you don't know what a good game is. Not even mechanics guides and video evidence matter to them. I once got told to stick my guide Knack is trash. Others just laugh and say I'm not clicking that.

Create content and put it out there and the truly worthy will come to you. I recently had someone from the action community contact me about Knack 2 and started playing it.

>game is strategic
Lie many tell themselves in games where the 'strategy' is clearly marked for them with so they don't need to think, and are overwhelmed by choices or any sort of mechanical figuring. They still tell themselves they are strategy masters though. Complete waste of time.

Infinity, you're at it again.

I've been fair and warned you more than once.

Biomutant review scores are low. The message board is insane. So many blindly accepting these scores. Laughing and saying 'I ain't touching it' and 'I told you so'. No knowledge. No asking about mechanics.

It's a complete waste of time to discuss games. And it's not about seeking agreement, it's about intelligence. They're all too stupid to talk to.

Going to the console boards was a mistake.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/79619702?page=1

Never thought I'd see someone saying that NG's combat is overrated.

…is Crimson_Drake someone from this site? Part of me feels like it is but I could be crazy.

>from here
I forget. I see Red from time to time. My influence is felt in him (through SBK).

Infinity_Divide wrote:…is Crimson_Drake someone from this site? Part of me feels like it is but I could be crazy.

I don't think so, unless he's secretly another user in disguise that I don't know of.

>Going to the console boards was a mistake.
Sounds like another bunch of losers who don't know shit but keep talking anyway.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/79623475

Surprised by the inclusion of Chaos Legion and Shinobi in the poll. They are often underestimated.
I don't understand why Sekiro is so high, "Simon Says" makes people happy...

>CL
Too bad none of them know anything on real mechanics.

>why Sekiro
It's a 'Souls' so it's considered 'hard' and therefore the Soulsboyz believe it's a massive accomplishment of skill to play.

Had a read.

You're wasting your time Redshot. These losers don't care.
Look at that fool trying to convince himself his special game is hard. You think he'll ever 180 on that? They only want to feel special and a video game is the only thing that grants this in their miserable lives.

Furthermore, who cares?

I quit discussion with these types. You should too. Do not waste the time I wasted.

You are right Birdman, but I won't waste much time on them. I'm well aware I can't change anyone's opinion in that forum or the internet. I imagine Elden Ring will be the substitute of their adoration when it comes out.

Why do you guys do this to yourself? Granted, for every 20.000 failed discussions there might be one 'convert' (lol), but honestly it just polutes your mind.

> Elden Ring
It will be a nightmare. That said, I'm not really looking forward to that title in the slightest to be honest. It really feels like they just have given up and are doing the same thing on loop now. Which granted, that's fine if they want to do that, but it doesn't hold my interest.

> Why do you guys do this to yourself?
Just to spread some information but when you read things like "God Hand is awful", "Sekiro has the best combat system ever" or "All action games not developed by P* are trash", well you can only stop haha.

> Elden Ring
After that event I sent the trailer to a friend of mine and he said "It's Dark Souls 4". They are constantly recycling the same formula since Demon's Souls days. They obviously create different games at a superficial level and there's enough variation if you consider only Dark Souls 1-Bloodborne-Sekiro, but From Software's general output is one of the less varied from Japanese developers.

> why suffer
I understand, just be careful not to let it get to you. I remember really going on crusades on pages a few years ago and it did a number on me haha.

> Elden Ring
I was surprised that a lot of my casual-gaming friends were also not taken by it. Most just said "it's more of the same" and "I might actually skip this one" and "wow Dark Souls with horses....". I had expected them to eat it up, but I think the magic of what made the series great eventually withers for everyone. Which is a shame since their games are still very tightly designed, though I do feel their first games were the better ones.

That said: https://twitter.com/Cacophanus/status/1430437622250303493
Sometimes I wish more of us were on Twitter. This guy is an absolute idiot when it comes to ZoE apparently.

I don't understand why "mecha games" should be considerated as members of a special category. ZoE2 is Action like NG2 or Vanquish. Should we put Ninja Gaiden in the "ninja games" category? So is it in the same place as titles like Tenchu or Shinobido?
That guy linked one of his articles: https://www.mechadamashii.com/features/features-zone-of-the-pretenders/

Aside from Kojima hating (which is also wrong because other people directed and developed ZoE1-2), he does a very bland ranged-melee critique.

Yeah that article (which is from 2009..) isn't exactly the high point in gameplay analysis. The best part about it is the title. As you note, lots of wrong information too. Is it written by the OP? If so jesus christ.

> ninja gaiden is a 'ninja game'
You'd be .. surprised how much times I've had this discussion in the past with players liking Tenchu and expecting Ninja Gaiden to play similar since "it's also a ninja game". Blows my fucking mind.

Yes, it is written by the OP. After reading some of his tweets the situation is worse than I expected. His hate towards Kojima must be strong if he can't even understand ZoE2's value as a game or as an action game. That "mecha" passion isn't the main culprit here, he shows how he lacks analyzing abilities in each of his (re)tweets.

>Ninja Gaiden should be a stealth game
Jokes aside, I sometimes read on Reddit some guys who want NG4 to be a stealth/open world/metroidvania game. Then I close Reddit and I thank Tomonobu Itagaki and Team Ninja for their work.

> OP wrote this
To think I subbed to the guy, an issue soon resolved.

> Kojima hate
I see this quite...often. I remember another guy on Twitter who wanted to start his own gaming-website who had quite the hateboner for people like Kojima and Christopher Nolan (i.e. edgy mindfuck writers I guess). You could talk mechanics of the Koji-games to him but you'd just get some bad replies and a smilie-face. Never could get that weird one-sided hate the man's products got. Especially since he directed fairly little games compred to what people think (I too was guilty of this in the past). The man's name was slapped on a lot of things for sales it seems.

> closing reddit
A wise choice.

> Itagaki + TN
Been playing their older DOA titles of late and by god this is just pure gaming bliss. They really knew how to balance fun, randomization and extreme brutality in their games. When you're kicked by Ein in DOA2U it looks, sounds and feels like a freighttrain just rammed you from the TV. Fantastic.

>do not waste the time I wasted

Yes, part of why I've stepped back a bit from these discussions is because there just isn't a point. Birdman even predicted how a KH hater would react sometime ago, which proved that there are only a few outcomes in these sorts of arguments, none of which benefitted the person who actually knows what they're talking about.

>RedShot

Glad to see you liked KH2 enough to give it a mention in the topic you linked.

>Why do you guys do this to yourselves?

To be frank... I'm not sure anymore. Sometimes the urge to correct someone spreading blatantly incorrect information is stronger than listening to reason and tell yourself that there is nothing to be gained from it. 'Conversions', as you put it, are very rare. A month ago I engaged in yet another discussion about KH, but not on GameFAQs. Let's just say that the person called me insane for daring to say that KH is a good game, let alone being worthy to stand in the same league as non-Disney/non-cartoonish/realistic/'games for true men'/what have you games like DMC. In the same discussion someone else claimed that DMC was as deep as a fighting game, and that complexity and depth are tightly connected; the amount of moves in a game has a huge impact on its depth. I couldn't take it anymore and just left it at that.

Another reason why I haven't engaged in any more discussions is because of a thought I had that terrified me. Out of boredom, I ask myself "what are you going to do after you play all those quality PS2 Action titles?". Do you know what was the absolute first thing that came to mind? "Correct people more effectively". After that moment, I just had to stay away from arguments altogether. I fear that if I continue down this path, I will no longer enjoy games anymore, or appreciate quality mechanics, and instead will take more pleasure in shooting down casuals's arguments.

>Twitter

Isn't this place even more toxic than GameFAQs is?

> there isn't a point
The thing that bites the most is that, as noted, 0.000000001% of the time it is actually worth it and you find someone you can talk shop with or show 'the light' in a sense to someone. A few users here have gotten that from me, Bird or Infinity in some form in the past. So there's always the feeling that some users might just need a little push.

And then they start talking about how gameplay doesn't matter and I just implode.

> incorrect information
Totally get that and it is very frustrating to see falsehoods constantly spread and even become the norm i.e. Square-square-triangle in God of War or that Death Stranding is just 'cutscenes'.

> correct people more effecively
It's a slipperly slope since one of the key aspects of these games is the community aspect, the discovery of mechanics, talking about them, sharing notes and tactics. So I think if you twist that one a little bit towards "talk to like minded individuals more effectively" you'll get a lot more positive mindset.

> what if we run out of quality PS2 action games
A thought that haunts me to this day and the reason why I'm playing them very slowly and haven't touched KH2 yet. I'm saving that one for a rainy day like a good aged whiskey.

> Twitter
Like most sites, it depends. The ignore button has to be used frequently though to keep a clean feed.

@Royta/Raeng

> Kojima hate
It's a normal phenomenon. He's a very ambitious man who was and still is succesfull and can't be put in the "modesty" category. Some of his detractors don't like the narrative part of MGS and especially the over the top scenes (Raiden against Gekkos, Vamp, Fortune, Liquid's arm, etc.). Kojima's strenghts aren't in the movie side of his works, but he still has several merits in that camp (for example the interactivity during some MGS4 cutscenes is impressive or the military aspect in the MGS2's opening, showed through enemies' behaviour and then reflected in gameplay sections).

Other haters simply don't know Kojima's games so they consider them movie-like experiences without a decent gameplay, they should try them with an open mind, Death Stranding included.

Itagaki is known by a small community in comparison, but his sentences against DMC or Tekken were hated by a lot of people and they aren't forgotten even now.

> Itagaki + TN
I don't know very well fighting games but I noticed that game directors without proper knowledge of that genre or other arcade titles don't usually make good action games. It's an important basis to have in order to avoid shallow mechanics and wonky enemy states. Hit reactions, consinstency frame by frame and a solid set of rules can be learned from there. When you see high budget motion capture animations that are still inferior to Ninja Gaiden (2004), well, that's a problem.

@Phoenix Wright

> KH2
It's the best Action RPG by far and on par with the best "pure" Action titles. It's extremely well done and it's a shame modern ports ruined some of its balance thanks to 60 fps and a few other oversights by the Osaka Team (the one which ported the game). High level players are mostly speedrunners so they are unaffected by more powerful tools or even, they approve them. It should be a situation similar to Vanquish porting, so not terrible but still annoying for who knows the original system.

From what I understand tipical complaints are about its childish nature (Disney characters), easy standard difficulty and they derive from lack of competence with the genre (too may buyers come from Final Fantasy whose mechanics they didn't even comprehend). I'm sure if the same game was made by PlatinumGames without the Disney stuff and the easiest difficulties, then it would have a better status among "hardcore" players.

>random Twitter fag
Who cares? Another in the endless sea of the mechanically blind.

>I don't understand why "mecha games" should be considerated as members of a special category.
They aren't unless they're mechanically shooters or something. Mechanical blindness has many side effects.

>You'd be .. surprised
Not anymore.

>Then I close Reddit
How about you close it forever.

>To be frank... I'm not sure anymore.
That's like, the second to last phase before you become like me.
I will be waiting *licks lips*

>Isn't this place even more toxic than GameFAQs is?
Total shithole.

> adieu to Reddit

It's an easy task for me because I only visited the Ninja Gaiden subreddit, other ones related to games are either too small (God Hand is basically dead there), or too large (Devil May Cry or Resident Evil).
Ninja Gaiden wasn't so bad some months ago but the Master Collection release attracted shitposters with their presumed memes, too many redundant discussions (differences between versions every five minutes, people offended by others' tastes, etc.) and constant self-promoting videos.

GameFAQs is at least useful when you find some guides or topics with a good amount of info. The PS4 board is full of garbage like other general boards, but some game topics can work as a helping hand, especially for obscure gems.

Anywhere "mainstream" or "popular" is likely to be toxic - the more people there are, the bigger the chance you encounter somebody shitty. The more people there are, the more likely you are to encounter "casuals" who simply don't care about games as much as we do, or don't care about them for the same reasons. You're probably not gonna convince them that your favourite games are amazing, because if everyone thought they were amazing...well, people like us probably wouldn't like them that much, to be honest. The games we discuss on here, for the most part, are for us.

We're best sticking with more specialised communities like this one, rather than "melting pots" like Twitter and Reddit. I prefer to spend my time playing the games I like rather than trying to convince people to like something they've already made a decision over.

Raeng:

>0.000000001% of the time it is actually worth it

Then I'd rather talk with someone who is willing to learn and says it in a way that clearly shows they have an open mind, instead of correcting someone who's just a lost case.

That said, something just occurred to me. Birdman (and anyone else, would love to hear different inputs on this), I will present to you a big 'what if' scenario (though I would not be surprised if this already happened to you). What would you do if someone that's like what I described above, posted on the CL/Knack 2, etc. board with questions about trying to understand those games better, but circumstances prevented you from replying immediately. In that period of time where you were unable to answer, a troll has taken the lead and attempted to convince TC to not bother with these games, either by telling lies, surface level mechanical talk, etc.. Would you go ahead and confront the troll in order to save an innocent soul from getting corrupted?

I realize that my scenario is unlikely with those games (last I checked their boards were almost dead), but still.

>gameplay doesn't matter
>even though they have to put up with it anyway if they want to enjoy whatever it is that they like

Yeah, seen those types before. Had enough of them.

>square square triangle

Would you believe I was very close to disregarding GoW because of this years ago? Thank goodness I decided to look further than that.

>community is a key aspect

Yeah, I understand that. But I'll come here to discuss these games whenever I play them, not to the PS4 board, that's for sure.

>talk to like minded individuals more effectively

That's a great thought which I hadn't considered.

>running out of quality PS2 action games

Before speaking with you guys I thought DMC, God Hand, Resident Evil 4, and God of War were the only good titles, but then I realize that there's way more than that (ZoE2, MGS2-3, Onimusha, Okami, Chaos Legion, Maximo, Shinobi, and more). There's hoping that there are other hidden gems out there.

>leave (one of) the best for last

I understand this thought pretty well.

RedShot:

>KH2 is the best Action RPG by far

Strangely enough, I am both pleased and a tad disappointed to hear this. For one, it's great to know that one of the games I grew up with gets such high praise, but this also means that I won't get quite the same enjoyment from its competition (what I'm looking forward to play). Don't get me wrong, I still want to play the Souls games, and I still have high expectations for them, but I'll try to tone said expectations a bit down.

You got me curious though. As someone who mostly watches from the sidelines (and by that I mean reading what other people say about them, not watching gameplay videos and the like), I was under the impression that KH2 and whatever FromSoft's best offerings are, were on equal footing. Would you mind elaborating on what you found in KH2 that you couldn't find in Souls?

>newer ports ruined the balance of the game

I don't know the details, but I'm aware of some stuff being different. Something about Blizzard's finisher no longer 'bypassing' Revenge values, and some high hitcount Limits (think it was Donald's Flare) being disproportionally strong?

>childish nature

This is exactly what most people take issue with. If there was blood or something, I get the feeling that this would suddenly have a greater appeal.

>easy standard difficulty

This one I can half-agree with, since Second Chance and Once More are too game breaking. However, Lv 1 Crit is not a valid option for them, as this apparently inflates the difficulty in an 'artificial' way. Others said that leveling up is pretty integral in RPGs, and you never have to ignore stuff in proper Action games for them to be difficult. But then again... what about items in DMC or Bayonetta?

>"hardcore" players

Most people I argued with outright admitted that they didn't even touch Critical or Lv 1 Critical, even when told that the game gets better on said settings.

Birdman:

>closing Reddit forever

I guess the fact that I forgot my Reddit account's password was a blessing in disguise.

>second to last phase

I'm not quite as 'strong-willed' as you are. False information still gets the better of me (at least last time it happened). For now I'll hold onto the mindset that I will enjoy games better if I don't play them for the sake of getting into absurd arguments that will ultimately not benefit me in the slightest. I still have a lot to learn.

Gregorinho:

>the more people there are, the bigger the chance you encounter somebody shitty

I think it was @5does who posted an image that was more or less a good fit for this. It was something about two people starting a small group of something they loved, but it got too big and way out of hand. In the end, the two people that created said group were so upset about its current state, so they ultimately abandoned it, and the group just kept getting worse.

>growth of a hobby leads to suit wanting to attract idiots to it so they can be milked dry.
Many cases.

>Places to discuss vidya
Small places such as this forum, small subreddits, small discord groups or smaller boards on gamefaqs, every other place is bound to be a hellhole because people nowadays are insane in addition of already being dumb.

>Any decent big places
I only browse 4chan nowadays, turns out that you can dismiss stupid remarks easier if they lack a username(or worse, a profile picture) because you can just rationalize negative IQ takes as trolling, you can't really do the same when you have a guy named BehemothBlade spamming posts about lack of jumps in games every single day or e-celebs like TheGamingBritShow(I forgot his name) shitting on every HnS game that isn't DMC. Twitter is a cesspoll no matter what you do, but decent to follow official news but even then you can just read them on 4chan.

That being said, I do favor gamefaqs over the other options simply because from experience that's the only place aside from 4chan where "our kind" can put up a decent fight, I'll never forget all the well fought battles some of us had in the NuGoW boards, good times.

>amazing...well, people like us probably wouldn't like them that much, to be honest.
Not so sure about that. What I like has never had anything to do with popularity.

>someone who is willing to learn
The most I'm willing to allow you to do is post some info and then just leave it. The worthy will make contact.

>Would you go ahead and confront the troll in order to save an innocent soul from getting corrupted?
It has happened to me before. I'll just PM them directly. Take the conversation out of the troll's hands.

I wouldn't even post the offer to PM. Did that once on the DMCV board regarding CL and the regulars who aren't even trolls attacked me over it. Like it was an insane concept to PM someone. One of them was that DKroyal or whatever his name is. Was so threatened that the conversation would be taken out of his reach he used me PMing someone as an insult. He even posted a link to the topic where I did so like that was this ultimate smoking gun of the crime I'm not even sure what. He ran for the hills after that. Fucking loser.

@RedShot

> Kojima hate
I always liked the parts you mentioned. While his stories are a tad too afraid that you miss any of his cool ideas, which kills the mystery, you can really see that they hired good cinematographers and experts in the fields they were portraying to make them feel real.

> deathstranding
Still the best game of the generation, I will die on that hill (weird hill to die on but at least I'm dead haha).

> Itagaki
I mostly miss how direct the man was, he wasn't afraid to russtle any feathers or to make big claims, which is neat.

> fighting games
A good notion honestly, never saw it as such, but I fully agree. Fighting games are quintisensial 'gaming' in terms of how even the smallest crack in the design will just nuke it from orbit. DOA's games have such great feeling of impact especially. When you knock someone into a pillar with Jann Lee and the pillar shatters, or Helena kicks someone so hard the wall they fall against crumbles, it just looks and feels so sick. Also love the plethora of weird animations they have, like players leaning against walls when they are knocked into them, or unique grab animations for when they are near a cliffside.

> NGsub
I left a few weeks ago. Originally I started to just block users that posted memes, but it really went downhill after the soft revival the series got for a bit. Really tired of seeing "hey look guys I beat this boss without getting hit" using the most boring way imaginable that we discovered 12 years ago. I mean, I'm glad people are enjoying the series etc. but that sub just isn't for me anymore. Also just have the most random ass discussions there, the one that was the limit for me was the notion that delimbing wasn't tied to chance which just...that entire discussion was a disaster.

> gamefaqs
The smaller boards are gold imo and where I have the best memories. It is places like those where you start to recognize names instead of just being a swarm of people shouting in an endless void.

@Gregorinho

> anywhere popular
Maybe we should put a cap on this forum haha.

@Phoenix Wright

> the horror scenario
Actually happened to me a few times with Metal Gear Rising, which attracts a lot of "it's a bad stealth game" dudebros for whatever reason. It sucks, but generally speaking, quality wins out. You'll make a good post about the title, some tips and links and ususally they ignore the troll since his comment is just a short bad one "it sux".

> square square triangle
Hell I believed it. There's literally a video somewhere of teenager 18 year old Raeng dissing GoW for being 'no skill' as opposed to the glorious Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 (I was young okay, don't judge hahaha). Took years for me to finally get hooked on the series.

> come here to discuss, not PS4 board
As well you should. I think, and I've said this before, you have to balance for yourself the communities you visit. I do think it's healthy to get out of the echo-chamber from time to time and get a dose of reality, i.e. there are more people on the planet that like Bayonetta 2 than Bayonetta 1, if you for example just exist on this forum right here, your perception might get skewed.

> Souls
Can't speak for KH2, but Souls power is more in the building and variety of options and routing. The action aspect has minor fun elements like stagger values but nothing too intense. The biggest fun for me was always playing with the RPG systems to be able to go no-holds-barred against the content on offer.

> 5does image
https://i.imgur.com/u9Pzs1A.jpeg

@Birdman
> Popularity
Fair enough, maybe I'm talking more about myself there. I feel like a lot of the games we discuss would be considered niche by your average gamer. Rather than suggesting we specifically look for niche games, I meant that they can often end up being our favourites because their designs cater to our tastes. I know some of your favourites are Chaos Legion, Knack 2, Lollipop Chainsaw. For me, there's Urban Reign. Few people have played any of those.

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> Member Cap
On paper, it sounds like a silly thing to do, but there may come a day when it seems like a good idea. I think the subject of this forum probably protects us from getting too big. You don't come across too many people looking for in-depth discussions on action games, usually.

> members cap
I don't think there's a risk unless somehow the site takes off. The forum used to be invite-only, though I should filter the applications again one day. We've got a ton of 0 post users from sketchy e-mails that I think are just bots.

> twitter
One thing I want to add to this, what I like about the platform is that it's easy to be introduced to other people that have similar taste. You just have to find one like minded individual and then follow who they follow etc. You can meet a lot of great users that way.

>changing people's minds
You all have been in the GameFAQs arena for far longer than I've been trying to wage these battles, so if I'm saying dumb/obvious shit feel free to ignore me.

The big thing for me was realizing that arguing with people and convincing them are almost always opposed goals. Arguing = people get defensive, and when that happens none of the content of what you are saying actually matters. Instead, you need to humor them to a degree, even if they're saying some stupid fucking shit, and let them feel like their opinion is being fairly valued. If you can frame it as a discussion, then you can both learn about the rationale behind each other's positions, which is valuable knowledge even when one person is ultimately right.

Of course, not everything can be a civil discussion. Often the other person is approaching it as an argument from the start, to the point that you can't deescalate it. Also you just can't have these types of conversations all the time, it's too mentally exhausting. Picking your battles is a necessary skill for this type of thing.

Again, I don't mean to lecture anyone. This is just my own notes on what I've learned so far, mainly in the Monster Hunter sphere.

>niche
I still have a long way to go compared to you all, haha! For me it's of course classic MH. It has a dedicated following, but gets little to no respect as an action game, and the fanbases have extremely low crossover.

>reddit, twitter
They can be used constructively but it takes a lot of curation and self-control. May or may not be worth it, your mileage may vary. I don't really use reddit much anymore, I'm using twitter now but in a very limited way.


Thanks for this forum though, I definitely learn a lot from being here.

> the gladatorial pits
It's...just something we can't stop doing I guess haha. I mean when I saw that post on Twitter regarding ZoE2 I had so many replies typed up in my Notepad++ only...to just ditch them all after thinking "do I really want to waste my time on people who clearly aren't interested in gameplay mechanics and probably haven't even played the game, while echoing the opinion of some guy on twitter for his validation"? The answer was quickly "no".

> forum
You're welcome! :) It's hard to imagine it used to just have 3 users for nearly a year and suddenly it started to grow. Glad to see it being used and people being so happy with it!