The Vent Club

> /dbs/
Didn't know you went there (or that you were interested in DB).

>Didn't know you went there
I don't (and not even that interested in DB), but it's hard not to be aware of it, even if you just browse /v/.

>hard to miss
Gotcha.

>not interested in DB
It's okay. All you need to know is that Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.

>undefeated
4-0 I recall, right?

I saw Cvit did a video on some old PS2 action games. Part 2 is coming at some point and pretty sure it will include Chaos Legion.

Last time he posted he was playing it he was getting destroyed and asked if he was missing something. I tell him yes, a lot. He immediately gets defensive and says 'well the game doesn't show it.'

I bring this up because he recently posted about some game I think a new Yakuza game and how he was going to do tons of testing with each character. Why can he do it with one game but not another and post stupid shit?

Also, his only issue with AC6 is the subtitle size and it's game of the year.

>4-0
You already know. 6-0 if counting Super.

>Cvit
>Chaos Legion
Will you be paying a visit to the upcoming video's comment section?

>double standards
Don't bother trying to understand this.

Yeah I might.

He was the same with his The Sword Of Etheria video. Seems he didn't even know about the slide attack that can scoop enemies up off the ground. Wouldn't respond to this either. He just gets defensive and stops replying.

> Cvit
The less time spent on him the better. Guy's not open for critique, he's way too deep in his own bubble to see what's really out there sadly.

>cvit
When should that video come out?

>Date
Optimistically, never.

>modding in action games
Shame, that they're more moddable, but japanese have real aversion to modding their games.

>Usenet
That's the origin of it? I've wondered how this arrow thing started.

Just found this.
https://www.backloggd.com/u/Cvit/list/6th-gen-action-games/

Click the note for Chaos Legion. Cvit is a complete moron.

He would rather stick with his own belief and run from my Twitter posts. I didn't even make him look stupid (yet).

Why oh why do these dumbasses not listen?

Why do they make stupid public statements without research? He could've engaged with me and learnt everything.

He must be like Mayo where he's used to his followers agreeing with everything he says.

If you really want to lose some brain cells read the CL reviews. It's hard to believe such fools exist.

>cvit backlogged
>clicks
>sees GOAT of war 1
>sees note
>clicks
>learns that he’s close to making a video on it
Oh no……..

Sick of these dishonest losers. It's not something they do by accident. They know what they're doing.

Speaking of PS2 action games anyone here played Genji? Is it any good? I saw a video with it once and thought it looked cool but I don't own a copy unfortunately.

Yes I know that game inside and out.

It's decent. Not complex but has its stuff. I wrote a guide for it and posted here. It's either in the tactical forum or dedicated thread.

Any specific questions?

The directional system sounds cool. Reminds me of the Streets of Rage games and how the AI is programmed to get behind you and the back-attack you have for those situations.
The game is pretty cheap on ebay so I might pick it up.
About how long is it?
How are the harder difficulties?

AeternalSolitude wrote:Speaking of PS2 action games anyone here played Genji? Is it any good? I saw a video with it once and thought it looked cool but I don't own a copy unfortunately.

Yeah I finished it last year, good game overall. Abit like Onimusha but the combat's better and more open because you can jump and even do some ariel combos. It does have its flaws but I'd say it's definitely worth a playthrough.

>directional attacks
And the other character has charge attacks with his club and 'grabs' with his spear.

>About how long is it?
Don't remember.

>How are the harder difficulties?
I think hard mode removes leveling up. You can still raise stats with those magic crystals. They drop non-stop in hard.
You also can't use shops so the only equipment you get is from a few chests. No crafting the super strong stuff.

I did a no upgrade run on hard many years ago so the RPG stuff is not essential.

->Harder difficulties
That sounds kinda cool actually. I kinda like the idea of a harder difficulty almost forcing a restriction run. It's not a bad choice if the devs are short for time or cash, but still want the harder difficulties to be more than just more health and damage for enemies.

-> grabs
Yeah I glanced at Benkei's section in your guide. Impaling fools sounds fun.

-> Onimusha
Started playing the first game years ago on PS2. I kept dying and I didn't have the strength to keep sitting through the unskippable cutscenes (this was my first experience with tank controls cut me some slack. I'm better now guys really I am).
Just a few months ago I found a copy of Genma Onimusha (which fixes the cutscene issue I believe) at my local game store for 3 bucks. And now I got my OG Xbox hooked up to my CRT with a crispy looking S-Video cable. So no more excuses I gotta play that soon.

>link
>unleashing Birdman's wrath
>planning to cover GoW proper
Sounds like Cvit is asking for a brick filled glove slap.

>he would rather remain ignorant
Many such cases (as you know all too well).

>if he listened
Not everyone can see the light (like Zesty). I think we've been over how this happens once in a blue moon.

>not willing to leave his safe space
Basically. A severe case of confirmation bias (listen to everything that supports your existing beliefs, reject everything else).

>CL reviews
Haven't played the game yet, but no doubt it's just, as you put it, pure mechanical blindness.

All of this aside, his list shows quite a good number of games, some of which I've never heard of. The question is if those obscure games are any good. Wonder if anyone here played that one Jack Skellington game. Heard it's a DMClone or something. That Ghost Rider game was labeled as a GoW clone, if I recall right. Recall somebody saying that Oni wasn't that special.

> Genma
Definitely the superior version, enjoy it's super good!

> Cvit to do classic GoW
He's going to get a nice visit from specific community members I'm sure.

>specific members
If it’s that bad I’ll make a response video. In all seriousness I doubt it will be somehow worse than kingks retrospective. That was HOT FUCKING GARBAGE. He calls all the enemy’s/ encounters the same(yet played on an easier difficulty……), com ok ins about the Medusas and calls them one note yet, bitches about their ability to kill you in the air?!?!?!?!??? It’s what the gaming Brit show retrospective on NGB is to you, to me. What an awful video. Even says that arty is the same as the blades/ it lacks an identity…….

NOTE:
Here’s the link to the video.
https://youtu.be/iN9-70Rt0Oo?si=WNpTBCwerv8ndqNd

>Wonder if anyone here played that one Jack Skellington game
I played it to 100%, hard mode, ll S rank, challenge run, even got the Japanese version which is different.

>heard it's a DMC clone
It has a combo rating but it's only based on hit count. Gameplay isn't like DMC.

>NGB
I still need to get this on Series S. Keep forgetting my console exists.

Those old GOW promo interviews are gold. It's so weird to think there was ever a time when Sony had the balls to promote a game in such a way. I kinda miss 2000's edginess.

Also I have a vague memory of renting that Ghost Rider game from my local library as a kid. Seems like there was a style meter of some kind, the chains kinda were GOW-ish, I think most of the game took place in hell or something, and I feel like a lot of levels were reused through out the game. But I was like 7 at the time so I really can't remember it with any reliable accuracy.

Some advice, and a bit of a meta-vent for this forum that was triggered by the FF16 thread: Stop letting YouTubers/reviewers like Gaming Brit, Cvit, or whoever get to you. You've hated them for years, and it's clear that you don't like their priorities, think they're too occupied with their own preferences to meet the games on their own terms, and don't believe they're ever going to get better. Ignore their videos, and ignore their channel.

And I get that this is the vent thread, and is supposed to be a place where you vent or let out your frustrations about dumb people on the internet, but I think it's generally better to not put yourself into a situation where you would feel the need to do that in the first place.

>letting [whoever] get to you
Personally, I haven't watched a single video from either of them. Just amused by the fact that, from the descriptions I see about them, they can be this lost about the things they review, and it mostly stems from bias (comparing everything to DMC), and lack of research. If I ever comment on Cvit's upcoming GoW video, it will be for amusement, not for frustration.

Birdman: >played the Jack game
Oh? Interesting. How's the game? Do you recommend it?

>JP version is different
How?

>gameplay isn't like DMC
>all those claims about it being a clone are wrong
Why am I not surprised.

Solitude: >chains are GoW-ish
Guess that's about it in terms of similarities. Not really expecting it to have GoW's most appealing aspects (instant death antics by way of ringouts, grabs, petrification, etc/collisions/environmental focus/the grab system in general).

I mean, that's totally fair. There's a reason I stopped watching UnderTheMayo, though I still like to shit on him since it's too easy, you gotta stop the cycle.

>How's the game? Do you recommend it?
It's OK. I loved the atmosphere.

Gameplay is simple. You have a whip with one string. You can grab and throw enemies into each other, spin them around or smash them into the ground. You get two costumes that change your moveset and you can switch in battle but not cancel into them or anything. Pumpkin Jack can breath fire and do an AoE explosion. Santa Jack can throw presents that pop open and do something. There's one that freezes, one that surprises, forgot the other.

Has that triple Bayonetta dodge that has a lag after the third one. There's a combo rating but it's only based on hit count.

Bosses are first half fighting normally, second half kind of DDR songs.

>How?
Has a harder mode. Can't run in combat. Some areas have different camera angles.

>grab and throw enemies against each other
Neat. How effective is this? Are you doing this with the whip? Sounds like something I've heard about one of the Bayo games (1 or 2).

>costumes
You get them as part of the campaign or are they NG+?

>freezes
Just halts opponents, or is there more to this?

>triple Bayonetta dodge
Not familiar with much of what's seen in Bayonetta, but I think I've played a game that had this kind of thing as well.

>second half kind of DDR songs
...Oh.

>can't run in combat
Strange.

>different camera angles
Like Ashley's section in JP RE4?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/80560256

So apparently people need to care about what you're going to post in order for you to be able to post something in the first place. Also, actively wanting to remain ignorant and keep believing that all old GoW games had the exact same gameplay.

Note: I think this board has 'level' requirements, if so, only people with a GFAQs account can access this link.

>How effective is this?
Pretty effective.

>Are you doing this with the whip?
Yes.

>Sounds like something I've heard about one of the Bayo games
I think someone from the Bayo team did work on this. Remember reading that somewhere.

>You get them as part of the campaign or are they NG+?
Campaign.

>Just halts opponents, or is there more to this?
Halts and does damage I think.

>Like Ashley's section in JP RE4?
Nothing as extreme as that.

>Gamefaqs nonsense
Had a look and what we're looking at here is an severe case of insecurity and heavy mechanical blindness.

>Jack game
Sounds worthy of at least a few playthroughs. If the thing about the Bayo dev working on it is true, then trying it out to experience a few things done in Bayo proper would be a neat first experience. Thanks for the notes.

>GFAQs nonsense
This is so oddly specific, that I feel like someone is watching this thread:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/213-nonstop-gaming-general/80567905#12

>Batman Arkham over the GoW trilogy
Come on. Do people really have tastes this bad?

There's nothing worse than watching someone waste their life playing mediocre games.

Personally, I think Batman has more potential than Kratos. His traversal abilities and his dynamic view of the world are just more epic. A good Batman game and open world game in general would take advantage of its 3Dimensionality and would allow you a larger failure reset (the origin of placement - the center - death - the game over). The 3Difiying of the world by allowing you to enter ANY building instead of 2Difying the world by stretching out the map with more non-enterable (i.e. depthless) content. Then finally it's getting rid of any tickbox assignments that are not player-generated. Decisions should sprawl through the origins of player choice instead of it being a chain of game developer choice (i.e. storyline).

All of which would require the playerbase to smarten up and the game developer to shorten their game time tremendously in favor of replayability.

>Batman better than...
The freeflow combat of Arkham is easily the weakest part of the series. I've played a lot of Arkham City - sure, it does have options, but their use is limited to one thing and a lot of them are redundant just for the sake of scoring. The worst thing about it, is how hitboxes are limited to just one enemy - idk how they work exactly, but the fact that Batman can only hit one thug at a time severally limits combat that otherwise has some good ideas.

What I think is greatest strenght of Arkham franchise - that gets overlooked often - is the stealth system. I especially like how enemies go from confident to nervous and finally scared shitless progresively how much of them you eliminate. I've never seen anything like this in any stealth game. The more their heart beat raises, their behviour changes. They overact to simple sound, they even shot randomly, because their nevres get the best of them.

there are also vast amount of options that enemies will react to the more you use them - if you use gargoyle too much, enemies will destroy them, if you like to use vents, enemies will check them etc.

I honestly don't hear this aspect of the arkham games praised too much, but I think that's their best aspect.

I personally always hated their combat but really enjoyed the stealth, it was really well done and offered fun and creative ways to take down enemies.

The main story pushes combat way too much (only interesting boss is Mr. Freeze and it's because he's this game's End), stealth really shines in Riddlers revenge mode and getting all the medals is quite a challenge, especially given how tough some condition can be (Robin's GCPD stage - can't remember the name).

I think the game has a nice mixture. I do feel the combat gets a needlessly bad rep for being the broken mess it is, once you just toy around with all the gadgets and characters it's a lot of fun imo. Not to be taken too seriously, just a fun game to play.

The stealth is really fun and a good variation. I dislike how Knight toned it down by having those multiman takedowns, and how missionmode was way too speedrun orrientated with weird requirements. During the main campaign though, it was excellent, especially how they (as you noted Paul) got more scared as time went on and they found their buddies hanging from gargoyles. Seeing them randomly jump at shadows was a great little touch.

I know it's super dumb to say, but as a fan of the comics, especially the first game and Origins really 'make you feel like Batman'. There's a reason that became such a meme because honestly it is true, especially in those stealth segments.

First game had that throw. You could throw them into other enemies. The fact that that it wasn't included in City and Origins is a crime.

I never knew why they ended up ditching that one, I always go "oh yeah, that was a thing huh" when I replay Asylum since it never returned.

Is it possible to throw someone into exploding gel?

Possible, but exploding gel needs to be manually placed and manually triggered to explode in Asylum iirc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic9Gmn_4nZI

I like how this guy complains about enemy design and then doesn’t use any of the tools required to deal with said enemy (IS ninjas of course). He didn’t use GT ONCE for the entire duration of the footage, nor Wind Run. Poor performance on bosses too. How can one get stuck on the worm boss on Mentor for 4 hours? Just stand in the side cave and spam the Scythe UT.

I don’t understand how someone can spend this much time writing and editing a video without doing any research or getting better at the game you’re doing the video on. I can understand this for someone like TGBS who just wanted to make a quick and fun review, but if you want to make a mega 4 hour commentary you gotta make a bigger effort.
(You can just watch CH11 to get the idea).

Oh, it's the same dude that said in his dmc bosses ranking vid that Griffon is "simple and requires no skill" while getting absolutely trashed by fatherface lol.

I've watched it a bit and seeing how badly he plays is entertaining - so that's how it feels to play NG2 for the first time, but why did the pick a mentor? He also mentioned NG3 in his vid. Can't wait for him to spent whole vid talking how bad og is and only mention RE briefly!

I'm really becoming convinced that you either play a game or spent hours on making vids talking about video games lol.

Very confused about this video. Haven't heard about this person before, but making a 4 hour video that's basically just "going through the chapters, but badly" while spouting a lot of weird or uninformed takes is...impressive. I'm not going to watch the rest of the video since I know i'll make a giant ass reply. But yeah, surface level stuff at best here.

>why Mentor
Because he said that Warrior was too easy, based on the first fight of the game alone. Yeah.

>Can't wait for him to spent whole vid talking how bad og is and only mention RE briefly
CVit style.

>going through the chapters, but badly
Gotta pump those videos out somehow.

A couple of other things that irked me are that he called the delimb strat that he used in the church fight as “cheesing”. I’d like to know how using the game’s intended mechanics (delimbing) + the arena as a cover is cheesing.
His lack of experimentation can be also seen in the fact that he didn't even use the Talon's FS into Izuna, which is the thing you use the most as a first time player, but nope. He just mashed X like a maniac and called the enemy design "bad".

So another mechanically blind SCUMBAG?

>Warrior ez
Hubris ha.

>cheese
I don't think I quite understand this notion, since its boundaries are pretty vauge. People use it call exploitation of devs' oversights or to say that certain start doesn't fit their imagined way to play a game. It's more often than not people complaining that they don't like given strat. It really has become overused and meaningless term if engaging with the game mechnics is "cheesing".

>mechanical blindness
It's truly an epidemic and WHO is still silent about it.