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How does one PROPERLY implement RPG elements in action games?

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TheFirmament1

TheFirmament1
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The title should make it pretty clear.

Games like nu-GoW, Nioh, and Darksiders 2 are games that fall under this category of action games with heavy RPG elements. But at the same time, we all know how much we like their implementation of RPG elements. They tend to kind of just stuff it in there, with not much care for how it really affects the balance of the game.

So I'd like to ask you guys, what would be the proper way of implementing these into more traditional action games? Or do you think that they have zero place in this genre?

Birdman


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The definition of 'properly' in this case may depend on what the player wants.

Some don't want it to be a case of the stats doing the fighting for them. Some do. In that case they would be implemented just fine.

As soon as you add in all this RPG stuff, doesn't the game just become an action RPG though? Not sure how you would implement them without the game becoming something else.

So in that case, if you want an action RPG, you just go play one.

Obviously, we don't want every action game to become one though. Maybe if they stay extremely light? Have the only level up system be the buying of skills and weapons.

Royta/Raeng

Royta/Raeng
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Generally speaking, you have to look at the goal first. What do RPG elements need to add to the gameplay? The two formost ones I hear always are longevity/replayvalue paired with personalization.

I feel Smash Brothers Ultimate (yes) does this fairly well. I made a topic about it a while ago. Basically you have all these spirits to collect (longevity) that allow you to customize your character. Some give minor strength boosts, others very powerful immunities etc. But it never really breaks the game as the mechanic is balanced around abilities versus stats. High-stat spirits tend to not allow bonus abilities, and reverse. Sure, Akuma has huge offensive stats, but Isaac can be equipped with 3 bonusses like immunity to PSI or that you start the fight Giant. It's a fun mechanic.

Regarding action-games. I think Nioh had the right idea originally. Have stats determine nuances and allow you to play to your strengths. But even then, it's a very slippery slope. You want the RPG mechanics to determine playstyle, not to be the difference between a 5 minute slog and a 5 second stomp against a boss - which is a problem present in most Action RPGs these days.

Another system would be Demon's Souls if stats didn't increase damage done, but instead just gave access to higher weapons with different movesets. Then you'd already be pretty darn close I'd say.

I haven't played KH2, but I heard that game is quite good in this regard as well.

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