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151DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:24 pm

Royta/Raeng

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Oh god, don't do that hahaha! You know those guys probably don't even know what NG is Razz

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152DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Wed Dec 25, 2019 11:36 pm

Nadster


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I've been trying to find that twice so far for the replies and I can't find it.

153DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:09 pm

TheFirmament1

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I'm seriously sick of all the fanboys over at r/DevilMayCry constantly whining for validation by the gaming websites that they constantly complain about. Like, what the fuck kind of relationship is this?

154DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:18 pm

Royta/Raeng

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It's the eternal circlejerk:

"IGN said this game is a 10/10 so it should be good"!

One day later:

"IGN said this game is a 3/10, cannot spell ignorant without IGN haha".

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155DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:46 pm

Birdman


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I have never seen a more insecure fan base.

156DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:28 pm

TheFirmament1

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157DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:46 pm

Omega ZX

Omega ZX
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This is the game I'm playing right now and I'm loving it SO much. I should have picked this one at launch instead of Sekiro (which is an amazing game, don't get me wrong).

Talking a bit about my relationship with the series, I am a fan of DMC 3, 4 and DmC DE. Each one of these titles imo does something better than the other two, but also something worse:
- DMC 3 has ofc great historical value and has Devils Never Cry which might still be my fave DMC song. However, I think that half of the bosses are just bad.
- DMC 4 has the best combat mechanics and bosses (not counting 5 yet), but the enemy design sometimes gets really frustrating, especially with the blitzes and the chimeras
- DmC DE is kind of controversial, but I think it's easily the best art-wise. The disco level is probably my favorite of the whole series. However, as much as I love the combat as well, I feel that they could have done more with the bosses and could raise the difficulty a bit, DMD here is comparable to SoS in DMC 4.

Sadly I don't really enjoy DMC 1, because I played it too late and can't get accustomed with the camera and the checkpoints. The checkpoints are a product of their time, but I believe that the camera is genuinely a flaw sometimes, and a quite frustrating one. DMC 2 just doesn't exist. :D

Back to DMC 5... I think this is the magnus opus of the series. Nero and Dante play the best they've ever been, V is really interesting too albeit not as fun as the other two, and the game manages to be both extremely complex and easily accessible for newcomers. The enemies are great and the average boss quality is pretty high, too. The very final battle is probably my favorite fight in the series, I've replayed it several times (mainly for the soundtrack, lol).

Now I have 27 hours in and have done Devil Hunter, some Son of Sparda (mission 13 right now) and some BP: the highest I've got is floor 83 with Dante, but with Nero I can't even reach 41 consistently.

Surprisingly I'm not having many issues in SoS (I haven't died yet), but I'm still scared for DMD. I've watched TheSeraphim17's videos (which I recommend, I love how in-depth goes that guy when criticising a game, he's almost an inspiration) and it seems that it will be quite a difficulty spike in both damage received and enemies' health.

158DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:01 am

Royta/Raeng

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DMD is mostly just more tankier foes that hit harder, so unless you're face tanking in SoS you won't really notice that much of a difference aside from bosses lasting longer.

Regarding the series, I like all of them in different regards, even DMC2. It's not bad, just different and very rushed. I think I like DMC1 and 3 the most, and 4 the least as a whole. 5 is a good title for me, but a tad too easy imo.

DMC1's checkpoints are never that big a bother for me considering how short the missions are (between 1-3 minutes), but it can get tired at times walking back to certain fights.

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159DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:15 am

Birdman


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>However, I think that half of the bosses are just bad.

Am I the only fan of the time freeze horse?

160DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:58 am

Omega ZX

Omega ZX
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Geryon is ok, but his version in 5 is so much better. I was referring to Arkham, Lady, Gigapede, Jester, somewhat even Agni & Rudra which don't fit the combat system at all, and Vergil 3 which can get a bit bs with his devil trigger (unpopular opinion, I know). I really like Nevan and Vergil 1/2.

About 5 being a tad easy I think it comes down to the fact the we as players have already experience with the series and are accustomed to the mechanics. It would be interesting to see a newcomer's playthrough.

Or maybe it would be more frustrating than interesting, because some people have a hard time understanding that jumping is the main defensive option and they'd probably complain that they can't avoid attacks. There is an Italian journalist who ranted about both Metal Gear Rising (when it came out) and Sekiro because dodging doesn't work, and it's just so stupid imo. I get that some people might dislike being forced to parry everything, but this guy never even tried to understand how these games work.

161DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:42 pm

Royta/Raeng

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Metal Gear Rising had it really hard. It featured a nearly 10 minute tutorial covering its parry system that everyone skipped only to then not understand it. That really frustrated me at the time. Fact that this game allowed you to cancel all your defensive options into each-other and cancel those animations, it was such a fantastic combat system. Love it!

Regarding DMC's bosses. Arkham is universally loathed iirc, and I don't like it either. The idea of playing with Vergil is cute, and being able to co-op the fight is cool too, but taking away your style is just wack.

I like the rest of the fights though. Lady is fun and different, Gigapede is built around reflecting projectiles back while still offering a healthy dose of alternatives. Vergil 3 is fun if you start to really focus on attacking him during his DT which is really risky, but really adds flavor to the fight. I admit to liking Vergil 2 the most though like most people. But Arkham really makes me groan.

My favourite boss in the series is probably still Nero Angelo. Just such a great set of moves, good music, atmosphere, mystery, lots of creative loops possible. Fantastic boss imo.

Regarding a newcomer playing DMCV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GIVyXkRgWE

DSP is quite notorious for being bad at games, so his videos are always really fun in a dark humor kind of way.

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162DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:24 pm

TaiTsurugi

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I generally find bosses in DMC kinda lacking, but I think DMC3 has some of the best ones. Agni and Rudra, Vergil 1,2,3, Nevan, Beowulf and Cerberus are all really well designed around differen types of approach.
DMC4 has Angelo Credo which is arguably the best boss in the entire franchise, with great mechanics that create this amazing back and forth, and the fact tha you can use all of the mechanics against him (JC, Aerial Combos, Inertia, Reversals etc) to creat something amazing. If you want an example watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ken8sOu0x-8 I still consider it the best DMC stylish video ever made.
DMC5 is pretty lacking imho, most bosses(just like the enemies) are way too easy and don't offer much both of term of style play and in terms of general design. It's difficult to explain, it's like you need to play by their rules and nothing else which goes against DMC combat design imho.

@Omega ZX wrote:There is an Italian journalist

Quindi sei italiano anche tu?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFWlmU4vDpbsx6v7TMfgtyQ?

163DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:55 pm

Omega ZX

Omega ZX
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Wow that video was soooo good. Another Credo fight I really enjoy to see is this one, because the guy used Devil Trigger as song and synchronized his gameplay with the music. https://youtu.be/ntPAdUT846w

Credo really is an awesome fight and maybe the best of the series from a mechanical standpoint. I might enjoy Vergil vs Nero a little more but that's mainly because of the OST and the build-up.

However, funnily enough what you said about the bosses in 5 is the reason why I don't like Agni & Rudra, they force you to use specific strategies and limit your approach to the battle. I don't think that the bosses in 5 have this problem, except maybe things like the Qlipoth Roots, Crystal Urizen or Gilgamesh, which are considered the least interesting of the game. But then we have Cavaliere Angelo (kind of a Credo 2.0 btw), Malphas, King Cerberus, Final Urizen and the Vergil fights which are all awesome and masterfully designed. Also this is the first DMC game which I feel doesn't have an outright bad fight. The same applies with the enemies, too.

PS: yep, sono italiano ahaha. Ora mi sfugge chi fosse il recensore di cui parlavo, magari dopo controllo. Comunque ricordo che anche Fraws criticò MGR senza averci capito nulla ed ero lì tipo "bruh, u can't be serious"

164DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:15 pm

Royta/Raeng

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Credo is a fantastic boss fight, completely agree. He's also got one of the best soundtracks in the game paired with the regular angelo foes. One thing I feel he does really well, especially in that specific game compared to the other bosses, is be more than a floating hitbox to sandbag.

While Belial and mister frog all have their interesting mechanics of course, at the core they are just this giant well textured box that you're attacking and jumping off of. They rarely react to your attacks etc. While it makes for fun combo videos, their gameplay aren't that great imo.

I think I mostly just love it when bosses try to be more than 'bigger meaner enemy that you hit until they die'. It is why I really adore what Astral Chain did with its boss fights, same with DMC3, there's nearly always something extra at play.

And eh...ik kan ook een taal spreken die niet Engels is hoor! Razz

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165DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:39 pm

Omega ZX

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I'm not a fan of the defense buff (let's call it DT, even if it's not exactly that) bosses get on DMD when they are at low hp.

166DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:24 pm

Royta/Raeng

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Isn't it still Devil Trigger? Or did they change that in subsequent releases?

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167DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sun Jan 19, 2020 5:29 pm

Omega ZX

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Yeah it's called devil trigger, but I never liked that name because the actual DT works in a different manner (see Vergil).

168DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:54 pm

AeternalSolitude

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Is anyone here still playing this game?

I recently started a DMD No Damage run which isn't really what I wanted to talk about. But rather share a strategy I've used for the first Urizen fight. It's nothing special and probably something the crafty people on this forum could figure out themselves no prob.

The strategy is simple and reliable. By using Ragtime strategically it's possible to do double Showdown's to open the fight which decreases the crystal's HP significantly.

Video demonstration below

https://youtu.be/_MuLLLRiogM?t=342

Again, nothing special. But if you find this boss as frustrating as I do, and are possibly attempting a similar run, this could be helpful.

169DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:11 pm

Royta/Raeng

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Great stuff man. Never liked that fight myself, really the epitomie of 'floating hitbox to attack'. Anyway to skip him is welcomed haha. Felt the crystal HP was way overdone, though thankfully you can kill him in a single cycle which helps a ton.

Not playing this game myself anymore. Still boot up DMC3 from time to time though. How's the run going so far?

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170DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Fri Jul 03, 2020 4:41 pm

AeternalSolitude

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> Urizen
I really don't like him. It's obvious he's made for Dante ( as he can absolutely melt the crystal) and Nero is supposed to just eat the failure for lame story reasons. Even the S rank requirements are tuned to accommodate expected failure. But this obviously isn't an available luxury on a no damage run. So many of his attacks overlap in ways that can really screw you over making Gerbera a necessity imo.
Can you single cycle him on DMD? Never managed it myself.

> The run so far
Only completed this level so far. Though I've been working on strats for some of the others. Nero plays very different from the others. With the tankyness of the enemies, this type of run really requires specific and strategic use of arm load-outs to do any significant damage. Something I'd probably enjoy more if I wasn't playing on PS4. The load times combined with the fact that loading a checkpoint doesn't restore arms used after that checkpoint make even practice runs of a level incredibly tedious.
Really dreading mission 8 and 18 in particular.

This is my first time attempting a no damage run. Believe it or not I didn't even know what I-frames were until I played Bloodborne 2 years ago. I also suck, so this is pretty challenging for me.

>DMC3
Been playing this myself a bit lately on my PS2 of all things. CERBERUS IS AWESOME! Such a good song. Really miss the cheesy erm... "Whisper Metal" of this game.

171DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:42 pm

Birdman


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Anyone else have no urge to touch DMCV again?

Every time I consider it I just can't do it. I'll see it next week. I have 4SE somewhere and I'll probably sell that too.

Booted up my old PS2 and had a quick jam on DMC3 SE and it still feels fantastic.

172DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:51 am

Gregorinho

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I still have a soft spot for it, and it'd probably rank pretty high amongst my all time genre favourites. Having said that, playing as V on DMD killed off any enjoyment I had on that difficulty. It was such a slog and I just stopped playing in the end.

I can see why 3SE is still considered the king of the series. It really is an action classic. I find 4SE is the one I have the least desire to revisit, even though I liked the extra characters in it. Bloody Palace was enjoyable in 4 but the main story mode was disappointing, being what felt like half a game played forwards and then the same half again in reverse.

173DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:08 pm

Royta/Raeng

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I'm mixed. I prefer it over DMC4 at least in terms of how Nero handles, but there's something about the title that just makes me think "I'll play 1 or 3 instead". Might have to do with the art-style and that it feels slower/less arcadey somehow. The more spongey enemies and lower overall difficulty also don't help imo.

If I ever play it again it will be on PC I think.

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174DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:23 am

Nadster


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I still feel like I want to play it again but I don't really feel like installing it again. I'm making no progress in what I am playing.

175DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:41 am

invisigoth1013

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Me. Definitely no urge to touch DMC5 again to hone my skills or just to have fun (actually haven't touched that since last Oct after I platinum it). I didn't plan to play 4SE at all when it first came out just because I did everything with 4 back then, but I briefly turned to 4SE after 5 just because of the itch to play as Vergil and Trish since they weren't available in 5. Only to leave the game shortly after I finished Vergil and Lady/Trish playthrough because the campaigns were just so damn repetitive. I find it somewhat disappointing after all these years DMC still won't offer some sort of unlockable characters in the game but resort to special editions afterwards, only to give you extra characters that run through the SAME campaign, again. DMC 1 and 3 are the ones that I occasionally revisit tho, especially 1.

176DMC5 General Discussion  - Page 4 Empty Re: DMC5 General Discussion on Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:50 am

AeternalSolitude

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It's the opposite for me. I find myself getting the urge to play DMC4 and 5 every so often. But whenever I go back to 1 and 3 I lose interest and quit after a few hours.

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