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51The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:09 am

Birdman


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Those types downplay games for gameplay.

Might as well watch on YT.

52The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:35 am

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I'm curious why one would say these things. To me they got worse! Nearly each and every one of those points he mentioned.

The seventh generation had a ton of long games thanks to two Elder Scroll games, two Fallout games, multiple Final Fantasy releases etc. While not my cup of tea, this generation's games seem to be aiming more towards the middle end I'd say, 40-50 hour games with some exceptions of course i.e Witcher 3 and RDR2, but far less frequent. Game-size still isn't what it used to be in the hayday of PC-gaming like Daggerfall, and when games do try to reach that they tend to feel like large open blocks of nothing. Loading is still bad since we dumbed cartriges in favour of disc, not to mention Bluray making things worse.

Detailed animations is a no as well, they are more realistic thanks to motion-capture, but facial animation has taken a huge (huge) step back as a result becoming far more uncannyvalley. Complex gameplay makes me laugh my brains out. We'll be lucky if a game this generation is as deep as a 1991 arcade game.

That said! I do think it would help you if you played your cards in paces. You immediately go ham, and especially on Reddit that will just see you get ignored. Gotta play it smart.

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53The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:57 pm

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Zeal:

>Kof Shill
A lot of it was simply to spite SFV which is one of the most controversial fighting games out there in the market, people wanted to KoF to make it as big or even take SF numbers from the FGC(little they know that based Tekken would be the one to do it later on and KoF niche wouldn't break past South America and Asia.

Firm:

>Based retard comparing souless 2k19 vydias to the apex of gaming.
They aren't even comparable to 2k9 games which had way more emphasys on small details as detailed here by our boy Crowbcat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWVtZJo-HqI. Let alone touch the shoes of the best each genre has to offer like Super Metroid, Castlevania Sotn, Chrono Trigger, Mario 64, etc.  Too lazy(for now) to read any other post besides the OP one..

Birdman:

>Furry Fightan
Good stuff, I played the GC version enough to unlock Fang without looking guides up. Really wish they could kept the series going or in the very least the Superior Nardo games(that weren't shit like Storm) that were in the GC and Wii.

>downplaying gameplay
While shilling vydia story shit that at it's best is comparable to a decent comic, and without realizing how much the narrative vs gameplay issue affects the product quality(consider that the most detailed vydia stories comes from pseudo/full blown VNs or really heavy text rpgs) while yet still insisting on mixing both(while asking for more emphasys on the narrative).

Raeng:

>I'm curious why one would say these things.
Books are too hard for them lot to absorb. Some of them have even trouble absorbing info from mangas and western comics and will often just stick to shilling interactive movies.

>To me they got worse! Nearly each and every one of those points he mentioned.
Indie games are great and are saving the industry, however yeah AAA games in general have been without exception been getting worse and every generation, it probably has something to do with the fact that the more we advance the more expensive vydias seem to get to make so devs seem to be cutting corners in most of their games while trying to pass to the masses that their games haven't been suffering from this issue. We end up seeing more and more content gated behind paywalls and games keep looking more and more shiny(while devs push for stretching out the game main campaign as much as possible to appease all the "how long is this game" folk) but when you crack these games open they're just soulless husks.

>but facial animation has taken a huge (huge) step back as a result becoming far more uncannyvalley.
I still love some of the ps2 facial animations the most like DMC3 and Onimusha 3. Even DMC4 which is still by far my favorite still looks better than DMC5(and it doesn't matter what people say, Vergil and Trish look horrible).


>You immediately go ham, and especially on Reddit that will just see you get ignored. Gotta play it smart.
Yeah pretty much, if you wanna go against the opinion of the masses in the reddit you're posting in you gotta act like you care about their opinions(and even their well-beings) while shitting on the other poster opinions with kind but passive aggressive comments. Chances are you'll still get downvoted but by a lesser margin.

54The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 8:57 pm

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>backspace
Hurts the soul. Many such cases. Even Harvey knows our pain.

>Reddit retards
https://www.reddit.com/r/iamverysmart/comments/bayxoo/this_is_a_doozy_ive_never_ran_across_someone_on/

55The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:13 pm

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ALL HAIL DADDY GMG

56The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 9:41 pm

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Where's the original source he was talking about?

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57The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:46 pm

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>the source
He screencap'd a PM exchange as I recall.  As for the topic(s), I'd have to check on that.  Give me a moment.

NOTE: Spoiler tags to help collapse things helps for organization purposes (less overwhelming to look at *especially while just passing by*).  Technique I used to use a lot on GameSpot (for TUGOWU topics like Tactics/Tips).

Various topic links:
---PMs---

NOTE: Reddit rapes my beloved format unless in special conditions owed to the coding there.  I didn't bother looking into a way around it without making a change.  No option where PMs are concerned, sadly.  I'll have to attempt edits to make things more readable (but his reaction is partially based on Reddit having altered the form, so keep that in mind).

With GoW proper. I'll be your professor. Hold the applause, student of mine. Now, let's begin.

Learning the Ropes (GMG):

Pacemaker - Reply 1:

GMG:

Pacist:

Kevin Pacey:

GoPro:

BigVEE:

Nation:

Notion:

Nate:

The-Creeper:

Gnat:

Nathaniel:

Natty:

NOTE: By this point, he took a screencap (I believe of the time I made an edit upon realizing he took the conversation somewhere outside the PM exchange *didn't want to derail the TC who was looking for help*).  Should be in one of the links I provided.

MrStarkiller:

Gonads:

MrTinkertrain:

Donut:

Donate:

NOTE: The topic was made for sure by this point (as a means to cope through like-minded people agreeing with him).  Not sure about the order here, so I've got two in a row.

FightMasterMax:

PrisonBaby:

Pate:

FengaPapit:

Pattycake:

TayGowu:

Patton:

Patting:

Vioden:

Panty:

TUGOWU:

NOTE: Not sure why, but History does not show his PMs as "GodeModeeGod".  No matter.  I started this new tree as with the previous one.

Option Select (GMG):

NOTE: This is where I'm missing a message (and wrap things up with him).

TheosTroposTHEOS:

~That should about do it



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58The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:38 pm

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I've never seen the word 'autistic' used so many times in my life, and I work with autistic clients.

Also, Shabby so damn butthurt over that Bayo beatdown that he's following 5hadows all over the board with schoolyard insults. You REALLY triggered that boy didn't you?

59The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:21 pm

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>GMG reddit arc
Needs to be animated asap.

>Shaboozle
It's only a matter of time before he starts getting infractions and then he'll have to dial back his autistic rage, been a while since I had so much easy salt(last one was D3rpil I believe).

60The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:25 pm

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If you want salt, there's plenty to openly mine on the Nioh2 boards. So many "this game is unfair", "impossible", "did they remove iframes from the dodge", "feral is pointless" and all other such comments. I had to take a break, couldn't handle it anymore. People are also asking for nerfs (already) from some of the overpowered stuff like this:

https://twitter.com/tjorb1/status/1191466662274441218?s=20

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61The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:11 pm

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Took a glance at that dump and nope.

62The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:51 am

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In other news: Shabby still spamming @s at me thinking I actually read mentions on gfaqs.

https://i.imgur.com/ltrYkpY.png

63The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:00 am

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Let it be known that I'm just that good.

https://i.imgur.com/iybx5XM.png

Edit: higher quality image.

64The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:08 am

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You drove him to account suicide HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Damn, those Bayo facts really triggered him huh?

65The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:26 am

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Shadow: >animated
He certainly didn't take well to my generous offer though I don't know how entertaining this particular fool's tale is (I'm more fond of some of my exploits with the /dbs/ "Chads").  That he was already looking for a comfort session at that pathetic sub-board after such a mild, private exchange is odd to me (as much as him taking that conversation elsewhere).

>such easy salt
The slightest push and he went ballistic, I see.  I knew them for "low-hanging fruit" (as another said).  Best I go very easy on them so as to avoid bringing the whole board upon myself (reports galore that will stick as mods tend not to like my way of doing things).  Kept light with approaches those vermin are more accustomed to (accusing Shabbos Goy of being an alt of all the people he is talking to, alluding to the nickname of Bubbles while mocking his sensitivity about it *actually calling him by it would definitely get me hit*, trashing DMC *in particular 'cuhrayzee' casuals and scrubs*, etc.).  Can't be going Full GMG if I still want to keep this account (until I finish up my plate with GoW recordings *could be a long while still before I even have to tools to start with GoW:A's list*).  Best I just troll /a/ for the time being (and YT makes me pull punches hard with wording, but I'm otherwise able to pull whatever stunt I like).

>image
If I wasn't such a lazy cunt, I might have edited this appropriately to incorporate the image you offered up.



Harvey: >autistic
Just one of those terms certain types are taken with (and rarely use correctly).  Like casuals and scrubs (using terms meant for themselves).  If it wasn't such a pain in the ass to reformat, I would have re-read the conversation myself.  I know he repeated himself a fair bit (these types really don't want to talk shop *rarely even on non-gameplay matters once they are found to be full of it even on a front such as story*).

NOTE: I'm always sickened by people who make excuses for Kratos, pretend he did something noble to redeem himself in GoWIII, his 'revenge' was deserved, etc.  Then there are those who can't understand why I would enjoy the game even if I feel Kratos is wrong and does terrible things (like they cannot process I just like using my avatar to be awful in fun ways while learning a neat system *that his behavior matches my antics is just cute, not terribly important for immersion, which is worthless here*).  Why do they lie to themselves about these MCs?  It is like Goku fans who love their (non-canon, head canon) idea of him (as with Funi Goku), but not the real thing.  Irksome (and well worth riding their asses from side of the Earth, through the center and out the other and back).

Roy: >nerf PvE
Fuck these idiots.  Even as Sloth, infinite GS builds, etc. were in Nioh 1, they shouldn't have gotten nerfed like they were (especially the former).  Instead, just make it take much more investment, much higher gear (with new DLCs), etc. to get in the same place (seems a-okay for end game, just a bit questionable to be that potent with little investment *leaving little of the game to experience while not in God Mode as enemies just feebly meander towards you*).  Having the fucking DLC just shit all over Sloth didn't tickle me, either.  While I wasn't in favor of abusing it in the first go at foes (or as a crutch), I didn't want the option removed completely.  It is like asking government for things (or just giving them the ability in the first place, really).  Unwise.

66The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:24 am

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NOTE: I renamed this topic "the vent club". I tend to be hesitant about trashtalking other players (with my life's goal being politing myself into their hearts), but I also sometimes want to let off some steam. So this topic is for that.

GMG
One thing I do always wonder, you would get so much more results if you'd ease up in the first two posts. The cold silent shiv they get in the form of 20.000 words tends to not go over well with these vulnerable egos as you've (no doubt) noticed. Think you could convert a lot more people to the glory of God of War if you'd ease up at first. Freeza also didn't use 100% on Goku the second they met. What's this I heard about Vegeta being undefeated against Goku though?

5does
What happened over there? I saw a slew of deleted posts and Dennis and his new friend quickly starting to trashtalk each other. They eat their own it seems.

Nioh2
It is disgusting, especially considering we've lived this exact thing before with Nioh 1. Alpha and Beta get released, we play it and love it, but the majority - since it is a major release - dislike it for being too difficult. Cue the feedback-form whose general reception seemed to include "make it easier" and "more loot".

Sloth was absolutely fine as it was, and even if it wasn't, who cares? Let people have fun.

But the same goes for basically the community. Tons of talk about lack of i.frames (incorrect), that it doesn't reward exploration like Bloodborne ('muh pellets') or that the game doesn't reward going all out. The constant comparison to Souls drives me up the wall, especially 'how it did slow methodical better'. This is why Ninja Gaiden died.

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67The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:34 pm

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>other players
Then you're quite safe. These scum are casuals and/or scrubs (at best).

>always wonder
I'm a troll, too (if you recall *and this may sound familiar*):



NOTE: Ultimately, I don't need thin-skinned bitches among "the vets". My priorities aren't strictly to gain more GoW players (or even high level ones).

>what's all this
Is that to say you need a REMINDER?

AT's will - 3-0, when?:

68The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:17 pm

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I would rather this topic to be the Gamefaqs Stupid topic.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/241018-devil-may-cry-5/78283475

Question: Why are DMC fans so scared?



69The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:34 pm

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>why are DMC fans so scared

Their series is easy and doesn’t prepare them for difficult games or discussions.

70The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sat Dec 28, 2019 11:45 pm

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It's really the abundance of OP items that make DMC so easy. Something GOW avoids by having none, and something Ninja Gaiden avoids by incorporating them+ into the difficulty.

71The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sun Dec 29, 2019 1:00 am

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72The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:56 am

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You know a frothing at the mouth DMC fanboy hasn't played anything else or is mechanically blind when:

I think it would make more sense for DMC to change things up if more other series were doing what it did and offering the same kind of gameplay

if DMC had more to learn from other action titles, but we're still in a situation where other action titles should be learning from DMC rather than other other way around.

Yes, someone actually said this.

"Hack and Slash" is too broad since that includes games that emphasise efficiency rather than style and spectacle
This is what I was getting at in that 'stylish action topic' we have here. My view is that 'style' doesn't truly exist. If it means 'looking cool', number of hits or how long it's been before the sandbag hits the ground, is irrelevant. Efficient kills can look as cool as it gets.

people were still finding new tech in DMC4 5,6 years after release. thats comparable to a fighting game.
Two points here, equally absurd.

1 - If you find tech years later.
2 - Comparing to a fighting game.

You can find tech years later in every game in existence. Hell, I found some small stuff in CL this year, 14 years later. They always use this but don't consider that it's not exclusive to DMC. It's actually irrelevant.

Comparing to fighting games, omg.
Sure, there are some similarities like juggles and cancels, but DMC lacks all kinds of stuff that actually make fighters deep like hit levels, counter hits, throws and match ups.

Shit, match ups alone. I played Tekken series and SC2 for years and was damn good, and can tell you than any attack can mean something completely different depending on who you're fighting, what they're doing, on counter hit, distance. Shit, I could go on for years.

Does Chaos Legion have the depth of a fighting game? Since Ryu was brought up, we'll use SF.

*Fewer moves with more use.
*Jump in attacks, even being able to 'cross up'.
*Counters hits that work exactly the same way as fighters.
*Can juggle.

They would scream no, of course, because they're blinded by combo madness. What about Virtua Fighter, which doesn't have extensive juggles?

CL and GH are actually closer to fighters than DMC.

Nier Automata has an extremely simple combat engine, almost to the point you could call it button mashing
On normal, you can get by to a degree mashing. You know what other game you can do this in? DMCV. Both have simple systems at their base before you start doing actual combos with weapon switching.

>hit stun decay/damage scaling
those elements aren't there to add depth. theyre specifically balancing mechanics to make for a fair player vs player experience
This is true, but lets not pretend (as DMC fanboys usually do) that's all there is to these. In Tekken, you can't juggle forever, so you need to consider what moves to use, what properties like bound or knockback. Shortening or lengthening a combo taking into account the distance to a wall to get the wall hit, resets, etc.

find crazy new ways to express themselves using the combat engine
Which usually results in the fanboys telling you you're playing it wrong or Lucifer sucks.

there are also people who will play something like GoW and find the lack of options to be unbearable after a while.
This happens when you don't even know what the options are but act like you do.

From our boy 5hadows
Oh god, this is why you can't take DMC fans seriously, you just look at surface level gimmicks and think that's all there is to it.
They're STILL doing this with CL, but then V comes along and suddenly that's ok despite being a shadow of better summoner mechanics.

Just saw you did mention all that fighting game stuff as I'm going through quoting. I noticed they didn't actually address any of it.

In the end none of the above changes the fact that DMC offers something unique and distinctly its own and gaming would be poorer if it were to shed the things that make it special in the name of "innovation" or to copy a more successful genre.
This is the same guy who said "if DMC had more to learn from other action titles, but we're still in a situation where other action titles should be learning from DMC rather than other other way around."
OMG LOL

in DMC you can play for thousands of hours and still find things online you are not remotely capable of doing.
Completely untrue. Most people who bother can do anything they see online, or come up with it themselves. I was doing weird stuff with Lucifer before any videos of ping pong combos came out.

what do we call that? depth. the game with the higher skill ceiling has more depth, mechanically. that's not something you can argue.
Every now and then, we come across something so egregiously stupid, that we can't generate a proper response. Mechanically blind.

What if there was a game with just one attack, and it was harder to do then anything in DMC. Would it then be qualified as having more depth than DMC?

if enemies are too powerful and aggressive then then that puts a dampener on the kind of combos you can do
Sometimes they say something that makes sense.
Too bad they stop at the combo part and not consider the actual fight and the massive depth that arises from it when enemies are actually invested in killing you. Knack 2 has better enemies, and thus, a better combat engagement, than DMC.

Certainly it would be nice if higher difficulties made enemies more aggressive and maybe gave them new attacks rather than just turning them all into damage sponges.
Wait, you mean like all these other action games with better enemies?
Same guy, again, who said "if DMC had more to learn from other action titles, but we're still in a situation where other action titles should be learning from DMC rather than other other way around."
Wut.

DMCV literally redefined the genre
Anyone know how it did this?

*Dante more or less the same as in 4 (worse if you ask fans due to inertia and guard fly nonsense).
*Nero needs ammo and grabs are still ass.
*V is inferior to a game from 15 years ago.

Am I missing something?

Why am I posting this here? Because I'm not interested in further discussion with mechanically blind fanboys anymore. I mean, look at the dumb shit they say. You can't talk with these people.

Note: The above is written by someone who loves the DMC series.

73The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:22 am

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Omg
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/168653-final-fantasy-vii-remake/78301038?jumpto=2#2

No one even knows what stylish means. Just COMBOCOMBOCOMBO.

74The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:45 am

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I remember you mentioning how people were forcing combos with various games and whatnot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTCRRW8zjwI

This, my guy, is a whole new level of forcing combos into action games.

Just what the fuck am I looking at? These have to be some of the worst looking combos I've ever seen in an action game, this isn't stylish, or over-the-top at all. Even worse than those old videos of people using Shurikens to juggle in Ninja Gaiden.

Someone said in the comments "Everyone's playing Souls, and GBG over here is playing Jedi May Cry" or some shit like that. My god, if you want to play Devil May Cry, play Devil May Cry. Not every action game is about combos, for Christ's sake.

I know that this is a super petty thing to get frustrated over, and I'm normally a guy that advocates for just letting people play the game as they enjoy it. But this whole trend of "Every action game must have combos in some way" is just bugging me to no end.

75The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:29 pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6W-ktVJRg0&ab_channel=GBG This is another "combo video" from the same guy playing Dad of War. People like flashy moves against defenceless enemies, it's my only explanation.

76The Vent Club - Page 2 Empty Re: The Vent Club Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:46 pm

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I know exactly which videos those are and I haven't even clicked them haha! I'm not against players doing stylish things in games that aren't built around it, play whatever way you want. There are efficient DMC4 videos too.

That said seeing them used as an argument as "see, this is how you play this game, it has depth" is a bit of a "what..." from me.

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6000 hours on God of War4? Why? HOW?!
I don't know if i'll ever play that game, I have a curiosity. The constant slow mo, the RPG stats changing things like enmiy hit reactions, and the non stop cutscenes make me wanna puke.

He actually has a LVL 1 GMGOW run going on his channel, it is hilarious.
I highly recommend skipping around to some bosses. He is learning how shit this game is at it's core.

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You want braindamage: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/168653-final-fantasy-vii-remake/78299148

This topic would require me to make 50 posts just to cover all the insanity.

> 6000 hours on GoW4
The guy is a die-hard fan, guess he really likes the cutscenes. Note, that's probably not possible. The game came out less two years ago, and a year is 8700 hours. Either he played nearly 3+ hours per day 365 days a year, or that's just a lie.

> LVL1 GMG run
Also did that and it isn't fun. SBK did it too. Really doesn't show the game in a good light (not that it had any good lights to begin with).

I do joke a tad, the game has good elements. Hell, if it wasn't wearing the God of War title I'd have enjoyed it more I think and the intro is solid with some cool combat mechanics I'd love to see again - just ditch the pointless walking, death of a franchise and RPG mechanics please.

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>That said seeing them used as an argument as "see, this is how you play this game, it has depth" is a bit of a "what..." from me.

That's the problem right there.
They think the only mechanic that defines depth is one of combos or looking 'cool'. It's a bad game if it doesn't have combos.

They don't understand other types of combat mechanics.

>People like flashy moves against defenceless enemies

Yeah, DMC fanboys especially are terrified of anything that hits back.

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God of War 2018 is definitely a game that has potential, and I don't mind the weapons, and their attacks.

To add to things that could stand changing:

- Close-up camera during combat, please only do this when I'm executing someone, or outside of combat
- With the removal of this closeup camera, do something with the Down D-Pad, maybe a third weapon.
- Option to attack with the Square and Triangle buttons, while still keeping the light and heavy throws on the shoulder buttons (That was the one thing that stopped me from using classic controls)
- PLEASE let me launch enemies other than Draugr
- Make the dodge more something like the Caestus/Nemesis Whip Dodge from God of War 3, fast, and covers distance

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Combos are a fun concept, seeing what's possible in terms of chains and also under the hood. I'd still really like to see a game made around them in the single player world, but I doubt it would happen. I mean propper, so juggledecay, meter management, possibly character tagging, supports, just a full on single player MarvelVS if you will.

Regarding God of War, completely agree on those points. Though I would also still argue in favour of the return of grabs and removal of cooldowns (already popularized in GoW:A). I'm a big fan of the axe and its potential, but a lot more was possible especially with more core mechanics surrounding it. Same regarding Arteus.

Also one dude PM'd me on Gfaqs, apparently I'm known as "you know who" in some DMC discords? This is hilarious!

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>discords
What do you mean?

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Dunno, apparently there's some Discord channels for DMC that don't like me haha! Guy was a low-karma account, just sent me that while calling me some bad words. Probably just a troll. I think it was the "DMC has light and heavy attacks" guy.

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Cowardly DMC fanboys runnin' scared.

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Not that we needed any more evidence, but this topic really goes to show how mechanically blind the DMC fanboy is.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/241018-devil-may-cry-5/78307389

>Believing that looking cool is dependent on combos.
>Believing efficiency focused gameplay is running around OHKing everything and becomes boring.

Omg, these guys are special. They think that's all that goes into it. Being mechanically blind, they have no concept of setting things up or multiple enemies. I guess they wouldn't have to, considering the enemies in their special game aren't invested in your death.


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Holy fucking christ.

That Cvit video is drawing so many idiots in the comments, it's not even funny.

This dude rants in the comments about how supposedly artificial Ninja Gaiden's difficulty is.

"- Off screen attacks without any audio to warn you.
- Unreactable attacks and grabs that you can only predict and you only have a 50/50 (most of the time much less than 50%) chance of avoiding because of...
- Absolute dogshit arcade fighting games levels of input reading.
- So many strings that you can't use because you are constantly getting interrupted so you have to lower your gameplay to I-frames moves.

Get your head out of your ass, see the bigger picture, and quit being a pseudo analyst."

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People say all kinds of weird stuff to justify sucking hard ass.

When I first played NG2 and got destroyed, like nothing you've ever seen, I was constantly analyzing and identifying why it was happening. This is a terrifying concept to some.

>warnings
I've never cared for this in games. Attacks have warnings simply because they have animations. If you can't see them, audio cues might be nice but if you know your enemies you'll know what they can do and keep tabs on them. Seems like they want some kind of action/DDR hybrid.

>unreachable
Peddling one's own limits as universal fact.

>grabs
They have range you must be in in order for them to connect. You have all the knowledge you need right there.


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> off screen attacks
Arrows fired have a bow-string sound that has a very high pitch, easy to hear. RPGs have their launcher sound. That aside, look around you: if you're getting jumped that's completely on you for leaving an open flank.

> unreactable attacks / grabs
> 50/50 setups
Either pressure the foe to the point that this option doesn't occure, or just don't get into the situation. You can get yourself into unwinnable situations in this game for absolute sure. If you do an Izuna drop and there's a wounded foe nearby, he will grab you with his OHKO grab in your recovery. A good player will note "ah, shouldn't have Izuna'd", a bad player will note "fucking bullshit game".

> input reading
With a massive delay might I add. IS ninjas are coded to go for grabs when you block, but to trigger this you need to block for a solid 4 seconds. It isn't as much input reading as "if you do X, the enemy does Y".

Input reading is Seth doing a 1.frame perfect EX-Shoryuken when you're doing an attack.

> cannot use all the strings
Have I found it at last? Is this the moment I can for once actually say "git gud"?

I am being a bit meaner than usual since...well this is my home-turf. And the guy can't even react to it. Face to face I'd be nicer. But fuck me.

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Is Cvit another gamingbrit? A self-proclaimed action game master who wants every game to be DMC and hates challenge?

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>meaner than usual
They deserve it.

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Hey, if the template makes money... Gamingbrit is pretty dead to me currently anyways. His last video was more in his old style but you can really hear the groan of 'I do it for the cash' through most of his words. Sad, he really was one of my favourites.

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Agreed, his videos are also pretty devoid of good analysis’ as well. It’s sad that the cuhrayzee fans are all that seem to have decent followings on YT. At least matthew’s VJ video was great.

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/241018-devil-may-cry-5/78321799

Is this the video you guys were talking about? Looks like Beme is laying some bait.

I've seen this one before and it's just another DMC dummy who shouldn't be talking.

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Eeeeeeeyup. That's the one.

I liked Cvit's Persona 5 review, and his Berserk review, but when it comes to action games... He falls under the disturbingly large category of "DMC fan that thinks NG needs a lock-on and on-the-fly weapon switching".

DMC is to action games what Corsair is to keyboards. Rabid fanbase that thinks that everything about is the highest quality possible (In the case of Corsair, it's happens to be the aluminium top plate, and the fact that they use Cherry switches), and general refusal to accept any problems with it (Once again for Corsair, it's the mediocre build quality for price, and the fact that the switches aren't "the top of the top quality"), or any alternatives.

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GamingBrit did a games to look forward to in 2020. Proceeds to wank off DMC5 for like 10 minutes. Haha this guy is a joke.



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That video is just terrible. Talks about DMC5, then does damage control on some of his videos, finishes it out with ramblings about RE. Alright then.

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Damn. That was one massive load of shit he just talked.

Talked more about DMC5's visuals than gameplay.

So worried about what he's said in the past how about stop talking trash?

Focusing on Monsoon omg who gives a FUCK just play the damn GAME.

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In TGBS's video "The Real Games to Anticipate in 2020" (Which, may I add, is easily one of his worst videos by far, he just rambles about DMC 5 for 5 or 6 minutes straight, and then rambles about video essays for another 3 or 4 minutes. Absolutely incomprehensible.), there was this comment thread where someone said "It really bothers me when people tell me they thought DMC 5 wasn't that great of an action game".

The replies are about what you'd expect. You know, "Old God of War bad" or "Ninja Gaiden bad". This clip from Yahtzee will never not be relevant.

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As long as it is fair critism and love, I don't mind. Just please god have these people do basic research and play those and other games. I really enjoyed DMCV but...it was just another DMC4 with some added stuff - it didn't nearly push the genre further and if Astral Chain had come out a bit sooner the V-parts would've really been torn to pieces.

Won't be watching that TGBS video then sadly. Last years was pretty fun as was his E3 video. God I'm going to have to sit through him hating on Metroid Prime 4 in the future won't I?

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As a guy who actually thinks that DMC 5 is one of the best in the genre, bashing other games to prove my opinion is just stupid. It's not even a comparison, it's just randomly throwing around other titles for the sake of it. And yes, I don't like DMC's fanbase either, there are lots of elitists who think that their opinion is absolute and anyone who disagrees is a casual. Funnily enough, this is a behavior that I see with both actual casual gamers (the ones who only care about recent western AAA titles, you know) and hardcore wannabes.

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