God of War 2 general discussion

>guard breaks
I suppose it was introduced here (the one that always comes to mind being explosive arrows).

>EP% scaling attacks
Ideally noting when they don't scale, too.  I wonder if throw reversal damage and scaling will get a showcase along with mention of collisions (and its scaling).

>RP value note
I see.  I suppose only with Wulf's code would you have the meter against the nemesis of Zim.  Probably set to 0 anyway (would be weird were the case otherwise).

>same specifics
Orb release, too?  We going over that at all?  I'd love to have the details here since that pertains to Kira's intended 'SAINT' run (just that there is another major hurdle to get over to make that even possible).

>Rhodian first
Right, right.  Let's get that book upon.

>RP building
I'll set aside any Tier talk (as with DMG) since it consumes too much time (and I would still want a proper handle on a means to visually represent it).

>Setting Scaling
More accurately, EP% scaling.

>i-frame ignoring
Good to have the bonus detail.

>Interrupt
Sometimes depends on the attack type (and can get more specific).

>Effect
Might be nice to have a general tidbit on the frame (dis)advantage involved and breakout options (if any).  I recall crumpling to the knees or being knocked back into prone being the sort with longer recoveries, but I think both let you sooner evade than block (or other actions).

NOTE: I suppose this is less about their defensive reactions, so things like their DEF type won't get listed.

>Sword Slash
1:1, by the way.  Same name from them.

>Sword Bash
"Bash and Slash".  Yours makes more sense unless he has to do the follow-up.

NOTE: Already we see a clear-cut case of higher RP building efficiency as on deals twice as much DMG to us for the same returns in rage.  24.75RP with base bar on N without dying (from full) if just taking shield strikes.  12.25RP for the sword in that same scenario.

>Colossus 1
>NOTES
I see.

>Surprise Attack
I think they skip this.  It ignoring i-frames is to be expected.

>Hand Smash
"Right Hand Open Slam".  Yours works fine.

>???
"Double Fisted Slam" is their suggestion.  Could call it "Double Axe Handle" or "Double Hammer Fist". Regarding which is which, is it first direct hit and second just the shockwave?

>Platform Shake
"Shelf Shake".  Yours works.

>Soldier Toss
"Soldier Throw". Yours is better.  Per soldier suggesting both can hit for 10/10, then?  It being blockable surprises me for some reason.  I remember blocking the toss of a cyclops, but not this one.

>Rhodian Archer
>Arrow
They call it "Arrow Shot", but this suffices.

>Colossus 2
>Platform Punch
No coverage for this, as you might have expected based on the previous (similar such) case.  Might be better to call it "Platform Strikes" (since it alternates Punch then Forearm Bash).  Going by their logic, it would be Free Hand Punch to Resting Hand Backhand.

>Hands Smash + Arena Sweep
They only call this "Free Hand Slam".  Maybe amend to Free Hand Slam and Sweep?  But then do we need to specify it is Free Hand if resting can't do it?  Just "Slam and Sweep" suffices for this Hammerfist.

>Foreground Slap
Free Hand Slap is their dub.  I figure 'Slap' is enough, but given the placement for where he does it, it can be understandable (the temptation to specify in the naming).

>???
This one they refer to as Resting Hand Backhand.  Backhand or Forearm Bash suits me.

>Counter
This is what I tended to call 'Rage Pound', but they refer to as Double Fisted Slam.  It is a Double Arm Hammerfist.  Calling it a counter doesn't really work since that implies it is a defensive reaction.  It is just a breakpoint transition move.

>Side Switch
They call it "Double Arm Sweep".  I can go either way.  Yours is what it aims to punish.  Their is what he does.

>Hand Rest
They don't mention it.  Seems fine.  Hopefully Zesty loses an OHKO to this at some point.

>Crush
This also isn't noted.  Fine as is.

NOTE: You're missing one attack.  When on the resting hand side all the way to the extreme (edge that isn't the grapple side of the platform, so near the waterwheels.  He will strike from overhead.  They call this move "Free Hand Downward Punch".

>Colossus 3
>Energy Floor
I called it 'Fissures'.  Theirs is "Left Hand Rift Generation".  Rift' suffices.  No LH about it, lads.  "Off Hand" would have been cheeky given the context.  I-frames negation is not surprising here.

>Ground Shockwave
They just go with Right Hand Slam.  'Slam' is better.  Central Slam, maybe.

>Slap
Their is Right Hand Swipe.  Yours is fine.

>Triple Attack
I might have gotten cute with Triple Trouble or some such.  Theirs is Dual Swipe and Slam (given this slam uses the missing hand, you would think more than a shockwave would occur as with the 'rifts' from before).

>Blue Flamethrower
Brevity dictates Flamethrower (which is their choice this time).  Half surprised this doesn't blow off i-frames.  Good thing the multi-hit is only 1 each, eh?

>Arm Lift
Of course, they don't cover it.  That this ignores i-frames surprises me.

>Hades Arm
>Slap
Sucks for them they can't grab or anything.  GoWIII only slightly expanded on them.  FP calls this "Swipe".  

>half collision off OS
Oh?

>wall crossing is like our heavy
Unexpected.  So P% scaling rather than EP% scaling (not flat)?

>Griffin
As before, they skipped town on Pegasus Flight with FP while Brady did just HP.

>Tackle
Sure.

>Tail Whip
Fine.

>Dark Energy
If they're calling the sub-boss Dark Griffin Rider, why not?  These things scaling is one of those rare projectile cases.

>Raven
>10K HP memes
I wonder if the shoulder ram trick to 'skip' hits them for a collision each time.  Could GK on VH kill it in 100 impacts?  Would it just pop out of existence?  Would this let us skip the throw in PF1?  PF2 would just skip the Roc (as is known).

>Takedown
Chicken more like.

>Dark Griffin Rider
>Dark Orbs
Sure.

>Flash
Hellzone Grenade more like (fucking unavoidable bullshit).  Krate ain't got no 'android barrier'.  What's with the 0, 5 or 10?  I recall it doing 10 on the first go.  Think it was 5 on the second and beyond.  When can it be 0?  Fail enough?  I'm sure Zim would like to know.  Donte, too.  It ignoring i-frames is typical, but it isn't like we have options while in that wind channel (that probably should have harmed us if scraping the sides, really).

>Cursed Harpy (PF2)
>Zephyrus' Dive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-QtJry1yII&t=40s

Ah, yes.  One of the wind jobbers (not pushed like Boreas).  Could have gotten cute with femboy talk if going Roman (Venti).  Are we even traveling Westward?  Fates shouldn't be that way, but they put them at an edge with a made-up island apparently over Atlas, so to the West makes sense in general.  We using this fancy name for 'Dive' for the same move elsewhere? *peaks ahead* Yep.  And it better do less than here (where they can have more build-up flying at us).  *checks* Same (disgusting).

NOTE: Odd they can't mass-grab and go wild, but it is before the time of 'rally'.  Even still, poor lads can't even latch on to peek away at us or try to pull off Pegasus.

>same opp
>same move
>normal circumstance
And now it has RP.  Sure.  Let's see what FP called the move in this context.  "Flyby".  Okay.

>Biting Barrage
"Grab and Peck".  Peck is enough (Pecking Order would be cutesy).  Having it blockable is a little too sweet (at least for the Cursed version later that should be upgrading it).  It would be funny to see someone doing NGR+ on E with GA just to take a hit from this (losing 72HP while just about everything else gets shrugged off).  I can already see the pained look on Mustafa's face.  This being an attack with 0RP to gain from taking hits is rough.

>1sHP
Guide was claiming 10 for all variants.

>Fates Sentry
>Overhead Chop
They go with "Sword Slam".  Yours is better.

>Double Slash
"Arm and Sword".  I get what they're going for, but no.

>wall version
No data from FP.

>Upwards Slash
Up-Slash suits me.  Likely whiffs on his right.

>Side Slash
Legit.

>halved RP returns if taken while not on the wall
Worth knowing.  One wonders if other RP sources double when we are on the wall or if this is some other interaction at play.

>Downward Slash
Down-Slash.  Probably lacking hitbox on his left.

>Grab
'Dislodge'.  Long wall fall to ignore RO would be amusing to see.  Getting dumped near the ground to take nothing, too.  Zesty would be very pleased with that.

>Slash (ceiling)
Poor sod gets no grab this time and deals less DMG.

>Slash (rope)
Similar, but has a grab this time.

NOTE: Not sure if N/A applies here for i-frame ignoring really.  We had a 'no' for wall slashes and it isn't like the scenarios differ.

>Grab
Dismount?  I suppose if over solid ground it doesn't matter at all (like in one bog case).

>Erebus Minotaur
>Charge
Dash & Gore they call it.  "Gore" is a good term, actually.  Should probably be that.  Also, SEM cannot use this move without Theseus doing his rally (taunt).  The SEM faced after waking the steeds lack him, so they straight up don't have the move at all.

>Cleave
Axe Slam.  Yours is better.

>Triple Attack
Trio Slash.  I'll go with yours.  Also, I can't recall if SEM use this or not.  Probably should have made the slashes weak at the start (3/3) with the finale stronger than the single (as this is 2H).  Maybe as much as 9?  The opener being weaker could also be justified (2/4) since you get less time to react.  GoS messes up  such a case by having the first be super strong and the rest is weak.  Not good design.

>Shove
This is a defensive reaction (as with false OS or too man blocks).  I can't recall them ever doing it raw. *tests*  Nope.  And it absolutely will always be followed by the overhead chop.  GoW1 had this do 0DMG, but this one opts to hurt us.  The follow-up here is 1DMG, too? *tests* Looks like the other chop.  Or is it hitting twice and I didn't see it?  Maybe it really fast.  As such, it may as well be thought of as 1RP.

>Undead Archer
>Apollo's Sting
For this move?  They just say "Arrow Shoot".  I'd expect a neat name for something more worthy like an explosive.

>Artemis' Strike
"Bash and Shout".  Odd they call it that without mentioning the follow-up shot.  Really, it is a 'bow bash' (just that it goes into a shot).  The slap scaling will catch people by surprise in GK VH (relative to E GA where DMG is 1.25 instead of 50 *knock the taste out of your mouth just for the arrow to tickle at 2 still*).

>Gorgon A
Gorgon.

>Lunge
"Claw Strike".  I prefer our old name.  I bet it misses the old output it had with this move (and ability to call upon it from 'outta nowhere').  Too bad even Queens don't see it return to true form here.

NOTE: This is a case they cite 'Magic' as a means to interrupt (where something like s1 would fail).

>Serpentine Lash
Bit dressed up (versus "Tail Swipe).  Suits me fine.

>Double Slap
Dual Strike.  Either is fine.

>Gorgon Stare
Stone Beam.  I'll go with GS (or Stare).

NOTE: Version difference on which have slaps or is this just a page divide?  And the RP building on escape is an exploitable thing to keep in mind for sure.  Any place where we can get petrified is an RP farming opportunity, really.  Slow and steady.

>Super Griffin
More a 'Griffin Rider', but I get why you go this route (since the dude can just leap off and it doesn't subtract HP).  All the more reason I wish CWB was a thing (so it could hit them as fused foes).

>Grab
Beating you to death is hilarious (NGR+ bros).  No RP, either.  This move is funny to me, so I might have meme'd it up calling it "Backshots" or "No Home" or "No Reacharound".  Activation DMG hurts the soul of ND lads (even before having THAT scale *at least it wasn't all the rest or this would be applying for GoS status*).

>Dark Projectile
Interrupt?  I suppose you mean the burst, boost, etc.  I don't think bow shots do the trick.  No scaling? S Sucks for it.

>Dark Rider A
I recall them claiming he was 500HP even though it is just a race.  I wonder if even with GA spam of lvl5 BoA on E there is any hope of doing enough to this fool in the time afforded.  Doubtful.

>Piercing Shards
Accurate.  Him getting just 5DMG from this is PATHETIC.  Did my guy have lvl0 SoD?  And no RP?  Cheap dick.  His version scaling is pretty BS though (50 against GK VH).

>SoD Attack
Deadly Slash.  My guy lacks Altering.  Would have been funny if he had it and we needed to i-frame with a dash to negate the bomb.

>Tackle
Just phoning it in with values, SSM?

>???
Don't even remember him doing this.  Dark Barrage, then.  Dark Penta if you prefer.  This scaling would have been nasty business (like making this an actual fight).

>Fates Guardian
Their i-frames irk me a bit at dizzy (aside from the weird knockback collision it does).  No false OS reaction at all.  Just blocks (no real reaction).  Wake-up is what you note.

NOTE: RotT messes with easy mashing (cue) for air RotF, which hurts the ability to work its best place to shine (floating over things easily).  I forgot it disables Athena's Wrath (whatever) just as it replaces S with 'Torment'.

>Double Slash
Up & Down Slash.  The ol' Heave-Ho.  Their only actual move.

>Overhead Chop
1.  Is it?  Can't even make us kneel?  How sad (and true).  I'd be tempted to call it Sissy Slap.  Only way its lot gets worse is lacking scaling.  Triggering wake-up was easy in GoW1, but I can barely get them on purpose in GoWII.

>Rabid Hound
6sHP is such an odd call.

>Jumping Bite
Jump and Bite.  Yours is better.

>Bite
Lunge and Bite.  Same note (though you could differentiate based on the action leading into the biting if just calling it 'Lunge' or 'Jump').

>Multi-Bites
Rabid (rather than Rapid) Bite?  "Maul" also works.  FP missed this move.

NOTE: Surprised we are setting aside shake-out times.

>Cerberus A
>and B
I see.  So it is just a page change thing.  Alright.  I wonder how its values different from the 'boss' version.

>Claw
Claw Strike.  Yours is to the point.

>Triple Fireball
Fireball.  A rare GB type.  Those values are surprising (as with the scaling).  With the RP as it is, I would imagine a single ball is worth 1RP, then.  Take 25 in the face from 0 to reach enough to activate.  Going to need some low EP% for that to not be a problem.

>Headbutt
Dash & Bite?  FP, where is the bite?  Nah, even 'Ram' makes more sense (with those horns).

>Maim
Busting on the good words.  They just went with "Jump & Pin".  This not going until we die is a change from GoW1 edition.  Having multiple of them at once in a 'no evade' (NGR+) toss, then another does it and repeats until we die would be funny (like a similar case of throw trap from Minotaur Grunts *based on RNG*).  Mind you, this is a blockable (for some reason).  These jobbers couldn't even GB for their 'ram'.  Sad!

>back to Colossus
>Free Hand Downward Punch
AYYY.

>Siren Widow
>Claws
Claw Strike.  Fine as is.

>Lunging Claws
Lunging Strike.  This, too.

>Scream
"Sonic Blast".  Shriek, Call, etc.  It all works.  I suppose it is more an advanced thing to note a move might job to something like getting off the ground, going off-camera, etc.

>Theseus
>553HP
Would be nice to have the specific HP of a given part made clear.  280/270 (S1/S2) is how FP represents it.  The split is uneven in S2P1/S2P2 as I recall.  Probably true of S1P1/S1P2, as well. *sees note*  Excellent.  131/151 and 136/135.  That's what I like to see.  Take all the estimation out.  No more guess work.  No mysticism.  Just clarity of understanding.

>Stab
Single Lance Slash.  Slash?  They high?  Thrust is most accurate.  And this is the ONLY move he will do in reply to being hit with WB (just runs at you to do this and nothing else).

>Triple Attack
Three-Way Lance Slash. This again?  It is one slash into a backthrust to uppercut slash.  Just simplifying it as you have works.  Could even just go extra lazy with 3-string.  Lucky us he can't mix-and-match with moves that have hit properties (GB, GC, etc.).  Fortunate as well his buff doesn't really do anything for his melee, strings, etc.  Just signified S1P2 (so he has pillars).

>Bash
Spinning Backhand.  Backslash.  I can't remember if he does this raw so much as a defensive reaction (counter).

>Impale
Lance Throw.  Yours is better.  No idea how this has no activation DMG, but sure.  True throw.  A shame there just wasn't a way to get up to him and toss him down and eventually toss him into his adds (and vice versa).  Having ways to knock him down to reel him in or otherwise get above to this end could have made for a more complete offering.

>Ice Pillars
Spike Summon.  We're good as is.  Amazes me he didn't get put over harder by having this scaling move of high value (already absurd) not also ignore i-frames (like a hazard).  I'd prefer it lose EP%, blow off i-frames (learn those patterns kiddo) and have FF (turn them against the opps 12 a pop).

>Triple Attack
>same move
>higher DMG
Oh?  Would think it would suddenly require parries to handle, but no.

>Ice Projectiles
Fast and slow are the same in terms of DMG and RP, eh?  FP calls them Energy Blast.  Weird how put over these are (rather than letting us slap even the fast ones back *and guide the slow ones to FF the opps with EP% making that worth something*).

>Summon EM
SEM, technically.  Their name was about the same as yours.  I just call it 'summon'.

>Ice Pillars
As before.  Bizarre how bad it is for RP building.  Even asking for 12RP doesn't seem unreasonable given how obnoxious this is (even before it scales).  I suppose this isn't the place for covering ALL the patterns.  I have a list of them, but no videos showing them all.  Making a crude map is the best I can do.  Difficult to demonstrate safety zones (would be better with visible hitboxes shown on an accurate map to REALLY know where you can always stand to be safe from this, then overlay where projectiles can hit to know where turtling will ALWAYS work aside from heat maps of places giving the most and least time to react using where patterns start and finish to give an indication of how wise or unwise it is to operate in that spot).

>DMG carry over
Nice.  I hate being robbed, so this is good to hear.

>Charge!
The rally/taunt.  I'm glad you remembered it (they didn't).

>Ice Projectiles
The triple slow homing.  Tri-Tracer, if you will.  They also don't mention it.  No scaling? *raffs*

>Cursed Harpy
>3sHP
Moving on up in the world.

>Zephirus' Dive
Yeah.

>Biting Barrage
Uh-huh.

>note belonging to Theseus for the birb
Kek.

>Hades Nymph
>2sHP
They claimed 5sHP.

>Explosive Attack
Fireball.  Probably more to the point.  How nice for it to have scaling and GB.

>Dying Explosion
Self-destruct.  I don't get why this fails to FF, is purely blockable, hurts so little and can't be avoided with kill type (other than shatter).  Can't mutilate or beat them down.  Need to throw what you know.  You would think they would flock to us when near death to harass with a more lively burst (if in GoWIII, rally with a group grab where they all detonate full Scattershot Combination style).

>Nymph
>Toxic Attack
Good thing it isn't actually a status as in Souls.  Jeice would have gone for it.  "Tail Blast".  Either works.  That's some high FLAT potency for such a move.  The bane of E GA (not so much GK VH).

>Web
Web Spray.  Yours is more to the point.  Weird combo of hazard and grab.  I feel like if escaping petrification is worth 1RP, escaping this and shriek should also yield such a reward (for how annoying they are).  This one even lets you infinitely take hits while struggling to get out (versus insta-kill with being crushed/ruined).  Multiply the RP returns (fourfold value seems fair, so each shot of their projectile would be 1RP while doing the same DMG as usual).  Annoyance as a mechanic.

>Wraith of Athens
>Burrow
Mostly done as a reaction to on-landing (depending on case).  I forget which one has the diving stab response (Desert Wraith) if pressured in guard too much.  Might be Aphodelians.  What's with the RP building?  I presume all 1DMG cases are 0.25, but the 2DMG portions are 0.5 and the 5DMG ender is a whopping 7?  Having RP higher than the actual attack that scales is very interesting.  They call it "Tunnel Spin".  Still say t0 and the like should stop if not counter this (bop them out of the ground with a stagger if not t3 bouncing them up as usual).

>Athens' Doom
Kek.  How dramatic (for their PoP).  "Combo Slash".  Rancor of Athens?  Really, 'Rancor' and words evoking such emotions of a vengeful, wrathful spirit with unfinished work makes sense.  Payout in terms of RP ain't as extreme as the last case.  Pity.

>Windmill
Spin2win.  "Blade Spin".  Helicopter.  It all works.  And all these hits.  I'm glad I don't have to test this without tools.

NOTE: Tested.  It was Asphodel boys who had it (defensive thing).  As recalled, UR and AS won't persist beyond CC.  UR persists beyond restart.  AS persists beyond their death (after a certain point).  Single target can't have more than one 'altering' stack.  Multi-altering require a bug (still has limits).  Orb drops of three smalls on Athenians is good for MP (SoD worsens the deal).  Asphodel can drop up to 3 smalls and a large MP plus an HP orb.  Obviously much better than having SoD out.  Their air OS and OH kills seems the same as DMG kill.  OS kill is better for MP if I remember right.  OS DMG killing them is probably like the DMG kill.  The OH can bug out to multi-drop, making it potentially the best for killing them in terms of payout (and doesn't care if you have a sub-weapon out).  LV's double hit frequently wasn't landing during testing (often when juggling in close).

>Wild Boar
>Headbutt
One is Tusk Uppercut (lunge) and the other is Dash and Uppercut (think this one jobs while the other doesn't in terms of armor) on higher hit properties at least.  I forget.  I imagine their interaction with Tyrants isn't too far behind.

>Cyclops Tyrant
Thought so.

>Polyphemus' Offense
Going straight to the big name, are we?  And for the stomp?  Alright.  "Foot Stomp".  Said named beast (in Sicily, by the way) killed 6 members of the crew, but 6 others survived along with Odysseus.

>Smash
Fist Slam.  Smash is better (invoke Hulk).

>Boar Toss
"Grab & Throw" is used for this and the player.  They don't mention how it works differently when these fodder are tossed at us.  Being a 10DMG scaling moves makes this a proper collision.  How nice we can just plain block it as it is way stronger than the stomp (just a bit more than the hammerfists).  I feel like it should give way more RP and their drops for more RP considering how mad it should be at being team killed (aside from Krate's fury at being slapped with a pig corpse).  Easily 10RP in my book before involving the RP (a large one would be merits aside from the normal chance drop *versus nothing*).  Same drops on-block (on whiff roll twice for the lulz).

>Odysseus' Bane
He got away from dude and didn't job at all.  He's the bane of Polyphemus (who had to cry to daddy).  I'd sooner name someone who died to him, but I don't know their names.  Polite is listed as a minor chap who lead the band that got turned to pigs (by Circe), so maybe the Boar Toss could invoke him?  The six crew members all have just as much claim, but they weren't leading it.  For Zesty, Elpenor (The Penis) is probably a good reference since he jobs and falls to his death off her roof.  Troublesome to name each move based on figures or we would say stuff like "Asterion" for Minotaurs (or mention Taurus to invoke Roman since Greco-Roman pop culture is GoW *thus Hercules, not Herakles*).  There are names even for the harpies, really.

Apparently your boy here meant some of the lost tribes of Israel (Cimmerians are the ancient Britons *while Scythians are the Saxons* as with Welsh who still call themselves Cymry in reference to the old times) whom were taken by Assyrians only for these 'new' people (always changing names with new leadership in the form of descendants of sires as patriarches *ignoring the matriarchial nonsense of the Amalekites born of Edo/Canaan fusion of lines with Ishamael only being part of the latter as I recall then becoming the modern Muslim peoples*).  I mentioned how Athenians descend from Canaan under the false name of Phoenician (given by actual Greeks) after settling in Attica.  Spartans, however, come from Dan(ites) thus their name Danaoi (these days called Achaens).  The basis of Herc is Samson (a Danite).  Greeks called one Scythian region Taurus (the liked naming things after themselves as with Cimmerians making Crimea or the 'Dan' with a bunch of rivers *Danube*).

Spartans are (directly) related to the proper line of Jacob and them being mortal enemies with Athens make all the more sense along with Canaanite imagery and values turning up in the land of their opps who were naval just like their ancestors who spread child sacrifice all over including the Americas (using the same boats as possessed by 'Vikings' whom visited the continent long before ol' Columbo *as done in my region using the rivers where you find natives with long-nosed pale demi-god masks and sites of baby burning corpse MOUNDS to Not-Baal at altars precisely as Ezekial and Solomon designed*).  But let's get back on track.  Some call him a homo (boy-lover, specifically), others a simp and others still a player.  Often just a dumb giant now.   I don't know the crew to have a specific name like Argonauts (for Jason).  I forget if they were all of Ithaca, but then it isn't like he got all of the lads, either.  Just half (demi).  Outis is "Nobody".  Maybe "Outis Doom"?  Shame it wasn't Eurylochus (of Same).  Could call it Samefag Slayer/Smasher.  Oh, well.  If Argo (naut as in nautical, but really just the drivers of a vehicle) is Argonaut, Ithaca would suggest Ithacanaut as the crew name, but you never hear that.  The place is just his name, either way.  Might be fair to just call it as you have rather than make up a new term.  Ulysses is the Roman version.  Sets it apart from the Greek if wanting to go that route (divorcing from the proper "hero").

Over-complicating it, I know.  Just a lot of words (bunt, deliver, drive, fire, fling, flip, force, heave, hurl, lift, lob, pitch, push, put, send, shove, start) and options when going this route (stone skipping, dribbling, bounding, bouncing and all).  That happens when trying a bit too hard.  Hell, with other cyclops, why not invoke the famous primordials (Brontes *thunderer*, Steropes *lightning* and Arges *bright*)?  Too bad none are smiths, these lads, working electric powers (we didn't get the OC planned for GoWII *GoS had a version of Geryon combined with Orthrus to become essentially a taste of such a being, but presumably smaller and far weaker*).  These guys apparently job to Apollo (mad about their weapons made for Zeus killing a son of his).  No surprise this is a true grab.  No scaling (not GoS).  I've used up too much mental energy on the aside, research, etc.  That's enough for now.

>Barbarian King
Shall we mention his non-canon, but official name?

>charge
Horse Charge.  Yours suffices.  Real shitbox on the charge portion.  Not surprised about the hammer being blockable (though it probably should have had a GB with follow-up of his Arrow Rain).  Surprisingly weak DMG on the charge.

>lingering hitbox danger
Right, right.

>HP breakpoints
Holy BASED.  I forget if LV was truly doing more than it should have.  If so, it should break him each time.

>full recovery note
A quirk of this boss (along with the incredibly long dizzy where he wanders versus Perseus with his halved dizzy timer for S1 into S2).

>Hammer
>same values as the charge
>except more RP for being bonk'd
Funny.  Hammer Uppercut.  Considering he lacks other instances, this is fine.

>Arrow
Single Arrow.  Again, FP is excessive.  Very weak move (probably deserves to be 1DMG).

>Rain of Arrows
Arrow Volley.  Arrow Rain is good enough for this artillery scatter shot cluster bomb.  I take it the thing can never hit more than with just the direct and explosion (looks like another penta-shot otherwise).  Sucks for it that the thing isn't UB (not even GB on arrow into explosion capitalizing). Arrows remain weak, but the explosion being 7DMG with scaling means it hits like a truck (against GK on VH).  GoS would have made it insta-kill with MIN bar, surely.

>Multi-arrows
Rapid Fire Arrows.  You're good.  Truly just the GATT, then.  These lacking GB or scaling to set them apart is lame. Such a rarely seen move.

>Soul Summon 1
>Soul Summon 2
The latter is Soul Summon 3.  Boat Captain has random drop pool nonsense.  Soul Summon 2 is a legitimate attack.  His starter transition destroys the stage edge (pretty sure it can RO).  The shockwave is fake, but the hit is real.  Also, his warp (into Uppercut *going full Sektor*) is a real attack (even if he fails to use it well).

>Counter
Spinning Backhand.  The upper.  You're okay.

>Might of the King
They went with "Hammer Slam".  God knows why.  Wild that S3 will NEVER do this (while upgrading it to be UB *you would think direct hit would be another attack and a GB like Hammer Time from Ares 1, but no*).

>Low Sweep into Shockwave
Swing and Slam.  Either works.  Sucks for him the shockwave can't even GB.  Would have been REALLY scary if each time he did this wore away at the arena (little by little shrinking it as more edges fall off).

>Triple Attack
Double Swing and Slam.  Either is good.  Hard to believe they were so kind as to make these blows to lacking in punch.  Even the ender isn't 7.5 (much less 10).  Sad!  Less RP building ain't grand, either.

>Homerun
Him going full WARRIORS shows what WE should be able to do to make-up for lacking a roll.  By MAX, it ought to armor, too.  Just run dudes down (if not chest-checking before follow-up with the legit actual Homerun effect *sent away with a launch rather than a simple knockback though a super knockback like the OH on a Wraith is fine, too*).  Funny having this hit harder than his big self (though those were like light starters and this is clearly an ender special).  Once again, not even a GB.  Pathetic (like the FP name "Dash and Swing" *could have meme'd a bit with Dash and Smash).

>Legion of Souls
Fair name choice.  Shotgun is the lazy approach I went with.  They simply call it Soul Summon.  Hard to believe they made this one UB (yet no scaling).  An annoyance flow changer.

NOTE: FP mentions "Spin Swing" and "Spinning Backhand" which sounds like the same move.  Perhaps the former is just point-blank of the 'Dash' case.  Not sure what they would be referring to otherwise.  That's my guess.  I don't think it is a new move at all.

>Barbarian Mercenary
>Underworld's Slash
Such a fruity looking move.  They just call it "Sword Slash".  Just a meme to look at.  It hitting so hard is ridiculous.  True GKPAIN+ is going to let this one-shot you (lol *lmao*).  Astolfo lookin' ass.  Doesn't even give up notable RP (couldn't even give up 1RP let alone 2RP).  Impressive they didn't make this one GC.  So very generous letting it be straight up blockable (without huge negative block frames and block push sending is skating off the stage).

>Barbaric Grip
Bearhug into Belly-to-Back Hip toss.  Regarding the in, the 360 toss is 20DMG with EP% or P% scaling?  Presumably the latter.  With how goated their last move was, half surprised they didn't let this scale, too.  Why not go full GoS?  Good for them having a true grab (even if easily escaped, lacking activation DMG, being useful against others and giving us HP back on-kill).

>Vortex
Whirlwind.  Both work.  Little surprised with the RP returns.

>Triple Slash
Trio Slash.  Just odd to make a bunch of moves without notable changes (about as good as it gets is the one with the spin hit reaction *which doesn't last long enough to jail us for the third, of course*).

>Running Slash
Their star.  Just an odd choice.  At least it is 0DMG.  Having that give 0.25RP each time?  Nice.  I approve of free RP.  Another source to keep in mind (especially for ND bros).  Maybe not in 'No Roll, No block' (sans tricking).  It jobs to jumping, which is funny.  They probably let them sprint too long. The block is weird, too.  I imagine it is similar if not the same, but their block counter is a combat roll into what looks like the same slash.  Probably a move worth adding to the list.

>Cursed Remains
>Cursed Slash
Spinning Slash.  Your name for BoneZoneSpin2Win covers it.

>HP to 30.03
Not 20?  I wonder what I misremember this.

>Cyclops Berserker
>Kick + Smash
"Stomp and Slam".  The only option out of its run.  Sort of pathetic that it can't even do a basic quick club swing in this sorry state.  Bro has no mix-up game.  Can't even do a bootleg version of the the team throw (or the CS mini-game fail).

>mounted
I dislike the hurtbox handling here (and the priority/rules).  A bit rigged to prevent sniping the runt.  Makes this quite hard to pull off.

>Triple Pound
Combo Slam.  Each RH attack is a double hit?  Odd (like the CWB interaction).

>Slam + Grab
A strange unblockable into a proper throw as I recall.

>Rotating Club
Club Sweep.  Big man with the 360.

>Hades Fiend
>Hades' Blade
Sword Slash.

>Hades' Fire
Fire-bomb.  We're lucky this pyro can't leave Greek flames behind (napalm).  The lack of scaling?  Sucks for them.  Still, the flat DMG means it has to be respected when we're otherwise feeling ourselves in terms of EP%.

>Sacrifice
Self-destruct.  Kamikaze, that is.  Too bad for them they can't do this while critical yet still having legs nor with a grab for us to shake free of to escape the blast in time.  A group grab of Fiends trying to dogpile and clusterbomb us would be hilarious.  Still say FF being missing here is whack.  How nice for them that it has scaling.  Raffable on E GA, but no joke to GK VH (especially with modded true NER in NG+ *more like a 'Fresh' run*).  That it isn't even a GB (much less UB) is a strange balancing choice.  Takes a lot of the threat away.

>Hades' Fire 2
Ah, good.  You remembered the defensive action.  Seems to behave the same as the other despite the different animation.

>special note
Shattering, too.  Think even mutilation does the trick.  I forget.

>Titan Minotaur 1
>Rock Toss
Boulder Throw.  Split DMG with first part being a scaling blockable is cute.  Still find it odd they let us parry the thing (with no Return or even Revenge).  Surprisingly weak, isn't it?


>Ground Pounds
The ol' Rage Pounds.  Tard Rage.  "Fist Slam".  Just look at all the complications.  I would have HATED testing this one.

>Cyclone
Spin2win.  "Fist Spin".  Another that would be a bother to test.

NOTE: A minor matter, but not quite all CS mini-game fails (with the DMG we take) and HP remaining for OS kill get noted.

>Gorgon Assassin
I'll skip repeats for names.

>Gorgon Flash
Stone Blast they called it.  Kek.  I just don't see why you wouldn't use the name of the actual spell.  Very good of you giving the exact values for pDMG.

>Cerberus Bastard
>601HP
Pure AIDS.  No orbs, no hazard, no adds, etc.  This mole can't birth nor can it burrow (despite the name).  Sure ain't blind (relying on sound).  Glorified Major Grunt treated like a sub-boss (not available in the Arena for some reason).  This opp borrows some things from our pal the base Cerberus (Ram type *sort of a poor man's Chimera*).  It also fails to birth the (still existing in the game) pups.  I'll skip repeat moves.

>Double Claw
Dual Swipe.  I forget if this can be a single into headbutt.  The second one hitting twice as hard and having scaling is brutal, but you deserve to get wrecked if hit by it (so fair enough). *was in the notes*  Ah, so I did remember right.  'Claw to Heatbutt' for a 'Mole Combo', 'Bastard Battery', etc.

>Flamethrower
Everyone is on the same page here.  If they removed the tracking, it could have just been a GB type.

>Shockwave
FP forgot this one entirely.  Unreal that it can't even GB (and the shockwave is fake *and gay*).  1/15 is a huge OOF.  You would think the latter would be a blockable without scaling while the former is UB with scaling for a nice balance.  Nope.  If it hits, fuck you.  Better be GA on E.  Such a strange P2 only move.

>Minotaur Grunt
>repeat move
Pass.

>Grab
Not sure why FP lists them as having 'Gore', but they call this "Overhead Slam".  Sad little attack throw with no activation DMG.  Having it be fixed is a bit lame.  Activation DMG as just 1 fixed makes more sense for a blockable that clearly hits us.  I'd rather it scale to be different.  10 with scaling would be devastating.  And you deserve it (for being caught and losing the easy mini-game).  Likewise, I'd want to have scaling on the reversal.  It isn't that great as things are, but if playing GA on E, I want to BTFO this punk (80DMG).  Lame we don't have a McKratos equivalent (4.0 in P%).  That on E with SAINT Mod focusing on POWAH?  Aw YISS.  CR lvl3, AQ, BH, etc. would get some serious shine (aside from the odd grab with P%).  This one in such a hypothetical?  160DMG (overkill).  Just as God intended.  Seriously, look at the hit they take. No way that shouldn't ruin their day.

>Asterion's Cleave
Ayyy, he got a namedrop (alternatively Asterios or Asterius).  The 'Starry One' making them see stars.  "Axe Slam" is all they had.  Another name to bring up might be the bull that is his daddy (not Minos, but the Cretan Bull *read: BVLL*).  Or even mention his mommy (Pasiphae *Daedalus helped her get fucked, by the way*).  You could part the cheeks of a queen with an attack like this.  Just ask the cuck king (who feeds the abomination people from Athens).

>Herculean Push
Not sure about referencing Herc for this (especially for 1DMG).  Pasiphae Push makes more sense to me (as he J-J-J-JAMMED IT IN).

>Cursed Legionnaire
Should be a lot like GoW1 with the repeats.  No Fallen this time.

>Cursed Slash
Jump and Slash.

>Rising Cyclone
This wake-up is dogshit for activation (like the others).  Still works well for false OS.  Relatively hard hitting, too.

>Grab
Let's see here.  *reviews footage*  Lifting Full-Nelson Twisting Facebuster.  A mouthful.  Sadly, no shorthand for it.  Given it is only damaging with the END and not along the way, the 'Facebuster' portion could get focus, but then most won't job to it (so only knowing the Full-Nelson portion).  Is the reverse for collisions doing real work this time?  Once again, a jobber attack throw.

>no dizzy recovery HP
KWAB!

>Hades Minotaur
>Explosive Smash
Club Slam.  Odd division of DMG.  How nice for it to be UB.

>???
"Stab & Swipe".  Has a fast version in reply to false OS.

>Triple Swing
"Slam & Swipe"?  Not sure how they figure that name matches up.

>Shove
Luck us it doesn't do higher baseline (scaling isn't green here).  No GB, either.

>Legionnaire Captain
>Charon's Strike
Sickle Slash.  Yours does evoke CoO.

>Zeus' Sorrow
Not sure how Papa Sparks relates.  I'd sooner expect a reference to the Styx (considering GoW1).  "S & S Combo" they call it.  What the FUCK does that mean?  Slash, Slice, Slap and Stab? *thinks*  Ah, Sword and Scythe.

>Styx's Cry
Ah, there it is.  They don't list this, of course.  Sword Thrust seems about their speed.  Surprising it isn't just a 4 again (instead a 6).

>Pandora's Punishment
Reference to the Cage Push in the temple (during CoP), I presume.  One is tempted to just call it "GOTCHA" (around Jax, never relax).  Them ONLY doing ths for false OS is silly.  A true command grab this time (for the Captain).  Not a mere quick attack throw like before.  Lacking RAW use limits the value quite a bit.

>BK
>Soul Summon 1
This is SS2 (SS1 and SS3 are the same thing and a non-attack with the Hammer Sweep).

>???
Technically, this whole bit (warp, uppercut and stage strike) is one thing.  S2 transition.  If wanting to take it in pieces, that's fine.  The first (Warp) is clear enough.  The second (Shoryuken) is reminds of Sektor.  He sure could have used some RAW use of this to spice things up (just as we could have afforded to have such an ability for MAX what with the no rolling and super nerfed souls).  The last is what is is (Stage Crusher/Smasher/Trimmer *blowing away the edges of the arena which if you're standing on as they fall will insta-kill so we can only hope for an OHKO fail from it one day*).  The whole of it a Stage Transition Sequence (STS combo).

>BL
>???
Evading Slash if keeping up with naming conventions.

>Euryale
>Gorgon Flash
Technically an oddity as she keeps it up as a beam/stare for power struggling, but if whiffing (like in a trick) it lets up quick rather than hounding us (not sure why it pushes us even through i-frames).  FP calls this "Beam Blast".

>Whip into Slam
"Dual Tail Swipe".  I'm half tempted to mock the fatty calling this Whipped (tail) Cream (as this term also applies as a verb for what she does to you with the overhead).

NOTE: Half a pity there is no mechanic where we can parry some UB for a brief CS mini-game pause we auto-lose if not flaring up RotT (for an augment where we trash them in a reversal).  Going full King with Giant Swing on her could have been funny if not the 'Puny God' special (from Hulk on Loki).  If he's strong enough to do half the things we see, he should be able to manage this little with Tons-A-Fun here.

>Tail Whip
"Tail Swipe".  This is a move she can spam if she wants (and is also forced as her S2 transition).

>Tail Whip 2
>1DMG less
Kek.

>Bite
"Headbutt" (more accurate).

>Floor Scan
"Stone Wave".  Both work, but you know I favor the former (aka DO NOT REDEEM SAR BLOODY BICH BASTART).

>Gorgon Blast
"Energy Orbs".  Obviously you're the superior choice.  I dislike them not working as in at least S3 (if not consistently giving a few orbs from afar when having consistent projectile Return as should be the case *just have it be the case that if the last one hits her she'll flinch, freefall and come after us a bit*).

>Body Slam
They went with the same.  I gots to differ (Bellyflop for our PLUS SIZED KWEEN).  This being 1/12 is curious as with scaling both.  The former sure, but the latter as well?  That's rough.  Also, no way the direct hit is the weak part, but the shockwave has all the real damage.  I forget if this can hit in the sky (with the first part).  Clotho sure couldn't with her floor strikes (phase right through her body with a simple hop).  Nice thing about this being it gets her down.  Unlike blocking S2 transition, stopping her from getting back to a pillar means free DMG that counts.  Have to let her go to a pillar to end S2P1 or S2P2 (with a single hit more *be it a soul or whatever though probably not 0DMG stuff like false OS*).  Easier in S2P2 since you know which one to guard.

>Double Tail Slap
Tail Swipe.  Sassy Shaniqua Slaps morel like.  We're good here.  Surprising the second hit does more.  I forget if the first or second whiffs in close when at HER right hip.  If the former, then you have more time to react.  If the latter, more time to punish after start-up.  Think it was case B.

>Crush
Ye ol' Rage Pounds.  Transition version is weaker than the raw, eh?  Like with the S1 situation.  They call these "Diving Slams".

>Crush 2
The real thing.

>Gorgon Blast
"Energy Orbs".  Can't say I dig the inconsistency with what happen on reversal.

>Whip into Slam
>upgraded DMG for first hit
How nice for her.  Isn't the first portion still blockable?

>Bite
This one got stronger, too?  Cute.

>Hades Juggernaut
>Mace Slam
"Mace Swing".  I'll go with yours.

>Double Mace Slam
"Double Swing".  They accidentally have "Mace Combo" for the same thing.

>Mace Swing
They didn't name this.  Surprised it does more DMG.  Half surprised it doesn't have KB and GB.

>Counter
Not named.  Too bad it is so weak.  If it were 10+, I'd be tempted to call it "Limit Break" or "Breakpoint".

>Fire Harpy
Repeat moves/names.

>Bomber
Other than this ("Dive-Bomb").  Not a double hit?  Alright.  No air block this day.  It resetting petrification is such a piss off.  Massive trolling potential even before Hades Harpies take it too far.

>Titan Minotaur 2
...

>Wraith of Asphodel
>Burrow
"Tunnel Spin".  I anticipate the diving counter attack to be overlooked.  If you pressure their guard, they will do this GoW1 move (belonging to Temple Wraiths).  Possibly going to be the case with Champs their weird GoW1 callback gets missed, as well.  We'll see.

>Boomerang Blades
"Blade Throw".  Good thing for us this has no verticality at all.  Sucks it goes through obstacles and parry can't deflect them for a LONG recovery punish.  Some horizontal tracking on start-up.  A fine thing they have no version where it pursues you around a bit longer (homing threat).  None of the wraith versions ever pin us with their arms (jailing aside) even against a surface while others go to work.

>Burrowing Blades
"Blade Tunnel".  This move doesn't start point blank (kek), gives up too soon and still doesn't hit well vertically speaking (nor go up walls though I think it still ignores obstacles).  Has better horizontal tracking when active for what little that is worth.  It is no Morph Uppercut (Keres Wraith) in terms of potency or hit reaction, that's for sure.  Why is this a Red (instead of a Green)?  With how bad it is, you would think it would require a parry sequence to guard.  Given it goes for the feet, I'd let it chase longer, start at point blank and GB (require parry), but drop each hit to 1DMG (no scaling).  Maybe have the final hit leave in a kneeling state (go full Ali Kick to punish people taking fat L's *deserved*) that combos into the diving stab (not guaranteed *though other enemies landing something can be*).

>High Priest of the Fates
>Floor Trap
Geyser, Energy Well, Soulnado, etc.  "Energy Column".  You would think it would be a heavier version of the siren case (with GB and juggling rather than jailing).  The way he armors for it and the location is always just ahead of him is odd (even as he gets moved).  This having scaling is rough stuff for TRAN KNEE.  That's for sure.  Real shame for us AotF can't trigger if timed with their moves right (canceling them for a use of the thing).  THAT would have been baller (even if a lesser version of the real thing).  Still doesn't help in PAIN+, but it would mean a lot in PAIN and below.

>Scroll Slap
This having armor is wild enough, but parry won't stop it (cheap).  "Scroll Swipe".  Technically plural.

>Magical Scroll
His version of PS.  Fate Flash.  "Scroll Blasts".  This move is a rough single hit that parry won't cancel into an AoE return for orbs as one would hope for.  You would expect it to GB us.

>Ground Bind
The curse.  "Energy Orb".  Fate Footsies.  Nu-GoW.  Tricking this?  Not advised.  Think it just goes through opps, but not obstacles.  No scaling, but green?  This move should definitely give way more RP (should be big mad getting gimped like this).  Definitely 10RP worthy (enough to cover the cost of activation you will probably need while kneeling *shame it won't cancel the animation and blow off the curse*).  What is it?  Like 4s of being unable to platform?  Imagine these dudes warping around spamming this off-screen while we're doing GoW1's dropped Cronos climbing segment in the Desert of Lost Souls.  Lots of luck, fucker.  Still say this foe needed multiple versions with different summons, curses, drain, etc.  Early on there were at least two.

>Summon
"Enemy Summon".  This being specific to a given case.  Arena has FG.  First encounter MG.  Second is FG.  Then they're gone from the rest of the game.  Think CotT has them summon a Cerberus.  Still say it is a missed opportunity not having one that summons other priests while a priest can summon Breeders or Beast Lords (both enemies that can make others *also a pity BL never got rigged to mount Cerberus for bonus synergy*).  Lucky us their weird teleport (invincible despite having a hurtbox with collision) doesn't hurt coming in and out (could have gone full TELEFRAG).  A version of them with that quality (slightly delayed with energy distortion tell not unlike the move Lahkesis has inspiring Bayonetta's WT bombs) could have been neat (even before multi-warping around like mad).

>Mana Destroyer
The bad succ.  "Siphon Grab".  This being affected by E is curious.  Counts as one of our spells, does it?  I suppose Saint MOD would nerf this move consequently.  And this is a move that absolutely should be worth tons of RP for failure.  Like 1:1 per orb lost (10/5/5/5/10) if not just 20RP (flat) the instant a single orb is taken.  Krate should be BIG MAD.  This being a blockable is a huge L for it as a threat (outside NBR and higher).  Not sure why it is dark red.

>Satyr Champion
>???
A new one since GoW1.  Got to guess at their meaning. Think this was "Trio Strike".  Good enough.  This isn't a real thing people do with Kali Sticks and such.  Getting actual names would be tough (unlike the DMG).  Wild that even the ender is weak (can't even attack throw or GB).

>???
"Dual Spin".  Also not a returning GoW1 move.  Quite a lot more hits than you would expect.  First seems like it'll lock you in for the rest.  Good for us it lacks the ability to open us up (often the curse of the goats).  So far, they don't hit hard, but they build RP like crazy (relative to others).

>Flurry Combo
"Whirlwind".  This was from GoW1.  Forget what it was (Figure 8 or something).  How nice for them it does some DMG in the unlikely case it lands.

>Stab into Takedown
GoW1 horizontal thrust into a new version of their throw (not a Staff Toss).  "Staff Throw".  As ever, no dubs (first part is meh and the second lacks scaling to put it over *never paired with hazards for dunking us off a cliff nor does it keep us down for follow-ups from allies*).  Sucks for us we get 0RP when tossed here.  Easily the worst thing it can land were we talking tiers of moves with DMG-to-RP ratio.  Good job not missing this one.

>Perseus
>Double Slash
"Sword Slash".

>8x Slash
"Shield Ram" (though they put things in the wrong spot *no way to now for sure what he's doing here*).  Variable returns are whack.  And this is a frustration move for sure.  Even at 1DMG each, it should be 1RP per hit landed in my book.  Hell, just him warping should be worth 0.25RP if not 0.00666RP per frame this motherfucker is hiding (thus 0.3996RP per second and 23.976RP per minute).  Seriously, these types of things should be PISSING off our boy (thus worth RP).  Having it provide means to more rapidly access a tanking tool (even without losing the HP needed to survive it) would help solve the issue.  Still say his immunity to spells (outside end of this move or a few frames after the fight starts) is just stupid.  Might even be justified to have him react to EH owing to his history with it (tries to deflect it).  Random hit reactions is also weird.  Likewise, the S2 transition dizzy being half the normal duration.

>Lunging Thrust
They skipped naming this.  Could call it The Palpy, "It's Treason Then", etc.  Corkscrew Thrust, Fang-Over-Fang, etc.

>Green Projectile
Split shot (doesn't spam), Single or multi (4 as cap here, I think).  They call it "Sling Atack".  You would think the split version would hit harder for having less range.  I wonder if you can get hit with all three if you get close.  No scaling means these are sad.  The split lacking GB is also sad.

>Double Slash 2
Does more DMG now that he's visible.  Sensible.

>Lunging Thrust 2
Same here.

>Stab
"Sword Stab".  What a bizarre start-up.  Hits like a thruck despite the follow through NOT selling it at all (not even a GB much less GC).  Dude is acting like he's using the thrust that will pierce the heavens.

>Flash into Shield Bash
"Stun and Bash".  For me?  Flash n' Bash (Flash Bash).  This one seems merited for hurting us a lot if it lands (even more so given it is plain blockable *should open you up then jail into his flurry or leave little time to clear the stab*).  Warp works in strange fashion.  0RP is an outrage for how annoying this is.  Each time it lands is definitely worthy of 1RP (bare minimum for an escape *same for shrieks and such*).

>Counter
"Sword Combo".  Surprising the last hit doesn't fling us away or do more DMG.  If you're still getting tagged by that point, you deserve at least a fiver.

>Shield Bash
It's fucking RAW.  Weirdly nerfed, too.

>Flash into Green Projectiles
'Stun and Sling' would be what they should have called it based on their naming conventions.  Splits and multi (I forget the cap, but it might be as high as 6 here).  Surprising the split isn't more or a double, at least.  Hasn't gotten stronger, either.  All he has left, too.  Sad!

>Wraith of Asphodel
>???
Their counter has no name here.  What did we call this in GoW1 with Desert Temples?  Sort of a lunging double impale thrust stab sort of deal.  Bit of a waste they can burrow into this, but only do this attack in the event of a counter.  Never a slightly slower start-up raw case.  It has no deep hit on-hit throw qualities, no notable block frame advantage nor GB to make you have reason to be scared.  It doesn't even hit hard for a single.  Doesn't even seem the burrow portion is an attack (more an effect).  Not a protected move, either.  Definitely jobber tier with that linear nature lacking notable tracking as I recall (horizontally speaking, you already know it can't deal with verticality nor is the range that amazing).  It may as well be a jobber that results in their arms getting stuck into walls.  Seriously, the move feels like the sort of L that if their general throw nature were adjusted to burrow punished as a get-off landing OS as they come in for this would just work.  Bro can tosses his arms, but forgets for this move.  Where is the rocket stab?  You would think it would hide in the ground to suddenly fire them your way.  Feels like a tool that the lesser variant should have had while this one got something less laughable.

>Cursed Archer
>Explosive Arrow
"Arrow Shot".  They don't pay any mind to it being an explosive now.

>Pandora's Strike
Such a fancy name for a move that didn't change since the last version (with a different name).  Still don't get why their arrow here isn't explosive.

>Siren
>Electric Sphere
"Energy Orb".  Just you wait for GoW:A with the lightning invocation.  That 7 flat DMG is crazy for their chip game in runs where you are a no-blocking low EP% bitch (read: casuals).  They must have these motherfuckers.  Good thing they don't slip you as brutally as in GoW1.  Their moveset is fucking weak, too.  With how annoying they used to be, I might have complained about the RP being so low. OG would deserve at least 2RP fucking around chipping with this (to your patience as much as HP).  ND lads can concur.

>Electric Floor
The scaling option with much better RP building for the DMG taken (in casual runs).  Not so much more casual affairs.  Imagine these jack-asses summoned by priests to start spamming "Energy Column" here at TRAN NEE so the clergy can focus on their role rather than doing the same thing (not even better).  GoW:A thought to make this move far more obnoxious without even making it a GB much less UB.  "You succeeded." - Krate

>Satyr
We should definitely be having some GoW1 Bestiary referencing going on here for move names.  No mix-and-match for these nerfed has-beens.

>Sweep into Staff Twirl
"Slash & Spin".  We're just so luck there are no low blocks needed like a fighting game.  That would be a real motherfucker for the few attacks that could qualify as with this opener (or even burrow moves).  Suddenly blockables become less laughable if not on your shit.  Surprised even the opening strike is so weak.  Hell, the twirls being just 1 each is a little surprising, but it has a ton of hits.  Taunt should have been that, but with less hits.

>Kick into Staff Uppercut
"Kick & Uppercut".  The Cartwheel Kick.  I remember this.  At least this opener can branch into one other thing.  As ever, sad DMG.  Final hit less so (with scaling).  No notable hit property even if it lands, which it shouldn't (enough to warrant being GB in my book).  No launch for you.

>Spin of Judgement
Kek.  "Diving Spin".  This was 'Plant', but now it only has this one move with no follow-ups nor alternatives.  Another tickle machine.

>Staff Uppercut
In the raw?  Think this is the "Jump & Uppercut" they mention, but I recall no jumping here.  This a counter thing?  Took a bit of testing, but the results are that Cartwheel Uppercut and Sweep Spin are the only Raw moves.  This one is only off DEF reactions (block or block into evade, just not the backwards version that I ever saw.  This while Staff Toss seemed to only come out for the back evade version (though not after OS fail).  T interrupted anything they had except Staff Toss.  Even Spells didn't do it.  I'd forgotten the OH set-up off SoD t2 with CC or s5 (near wall) and t3 (aerial by wall) set-ups into air OS.  Think certain positions allow it without he wall (fly back into us).

So it is correct to say that they only have 3 moves in the raw.  2 are attacks.  1 is bait (into a single option).  Only two possible follow-ups after OS fail (no uniques).  If they Staff Toss and whiff, another attack.  Block?  Evade into something else (think even a taunt as with the block follow-up possibility).  Land?  Toss into plant (always).  Block?  I forget if raw uppercut is a possibility here.  Toss is not.  Same to dive.  Others are fair game.  Side evades can be whatever save Staff Toss or Dive.  Tons of defensive reactions.  If landing a heavy like t0/t3 to interrupt them out of a move?  Evade's flow-chart.  Would be neat to see this compared with GoW1 in full (ignoring that both job to turtles).

>Gelos' Snatch
"Who?" - Black Man from GotG

Not a satyr.  A spirit of laughter.  "Staff Toss" is the OG name.  Here they went with "Staff Throw".  Really, invoking "Dionysos" makes more sense to invoke their master.  Even Comus Clutch (if going the daimon route *except this one is specifically named as a satyr*).  But Pan is the goat with a known name.  We'll ignore the faun/satyr thing.  Lots of named cases (and room to explain the white 'champs' though not the lack of drinking silly dances to evade up a storm like even Widows can, flute playing to rally as a bard, etc.): https://www.theoi.com/Georgikos/Satyroi.html

All this said, I sort of covered the situation with the throw at large. Being limited to only post back evade after interrupt/block means one really only sees this rarely.  Not being able to do it off side-evades at all hurts even without getting into the total lack of mix-and-match (as with sweep to uppercut to toss).  One more, it is an on-hit throw.  The high flat DMG rather than a single scaling weak hit into such a  case is generous (as with choosing to never make us need to evade cancel out of recovery to avoid a possible mix).  Such a sorry version of this foe.  And it gets worse.  Listing this as 'interrupt' is a curious one.

>Double Staff Twirl
Another blocke/evade/interrupt (into evade) DEF reaction.  Most of their moves pray you are prey (out here just doing the most with your guard down).  At least they didn't make this 1 or 2.  3 for the double is a bit more respectable.  Think the first hit jails.  "Jumping Slash", I guess?  They like calling the evade a 'jump', so I suppose that's what this refers to.

NOTE: It saddens me that their spawn isn't open to air OS or OH even if you somehow are in position to go for it.  Just OS.  One CC set-up for OH off SoD results instead in a bugged ground OS they punish.  Think that was off s5.

>Hades Harpy
Repeat, really.  The only notable difference is the fake-out bomber.  Just a sudden drop with no skull icon.  It isn't real (for us, anyway *think I saw it blow up a statue*).  Often like a fail bomber before the real one.  Almost tuning up the band.  *tests*  Oh, my.  That's unfortunate.  Yeah, so it likes to do this and it is totally fake.  If there is a sudden blast with no skull, don't even sweat it.  In fact, delay a ground OS and just kill this bitch.  The real one (Bomber) doesn't hit while coming down.  It has the UB explosion on the ground that only hits at SJ height (a truly perfectly timed one still beats it, by the way).  At least, it was so in the arena.  My, my.  A fraud already.  How very sad.  At least they have their invincibility (how nice for them) and it is a true UB (the throw being a fake).

NOTE: Them spawning with a taunt is such a liability for them.

>Icarus
>Punch + Kick
Think it is just a double punch.  Not jabs as these aren't his lead hands.  Not a cross as it isn't a straight shot.  So, a hook.  Double Hook.  Obviously not body shots or anything like that.  Calling them haymakers...I mean he does pull them them back, but how do you throw your weight up from the bottom in freefall?  Not an uppercut.  FP goes with "Punch".  The non-scaling DMG isn't surprising in this clutch state.  Imagine being caught with this once (somehow) and eating 50DMG on VH.  Oof.

NOTE: I see we're not going to cover mini-game losses.  They went with "Wall Slam".

>his HP
Curious.  Our strikes much be VERY weak here.

>QTE rules
...Bizarre and convoluted.

>TM3
>Ross Toss
Start-up has a hit, dose it?

>Smash
Included this.  Good.  You would think it would hurt way more.  It has pretty good AoE range.  FP skipped it.  Sort of a shame this move isn't used a bit more maybe with the chance to interrupt or briefly OS for an OS DMG weakening it if you're fast enough to react.  Failure leading to platform sinking if not shrinkage or even debris from the ceiling.  That the spin2win can't go mobile a little (beyblade) nor the ragepounds (go full Euryale) is a waste, frankly.  Why even have S2?  Rock Toss not being a free choice is goofy as with failing to have a a double (single hand scoop of a smaller rock then another and tossing them in quick succession maybe offset enough to roll catch bad evades.  Whatever.  Never got our wall version let alone some ceiling freak or a true nightmare that phases through solid floor/ceiling/wall like Genbu in YYH.  Going to peaces to expose the core for bonus DMG if not sending it straight into the lava for a shortcut kill (able to briefly slap or object push it) might have been neat.  Perhaps the block explodes into a thermal vent to make-up for lacking the object needed to normally get out.  TM3 just could have been a whole lot more interesting in my book.  It isn't even a flesh variant (working off Atlas).  The pounds and smash and such?  No trace of AQ magic.  Weak.  Very weak.  Have more of these with lower HP placed in a level with core blocks to gather and drop and you could potentially have an optional (preferred) puzzle making a bridge or some such across some hazard if not a block stacking thing.

>Hades Legionnaire
Samefag.  Throw and stab are the same.  The main move is buffed and the ender stab of the flurry.  No hit property changes or anything like that.  Certainly not behavior.  Same in terms of petrification (how nice for us).  Orbs don't change notably (sad).  HP is higher (because the other got nerfed).  Them not having a raw throw is such a failure.  Frankly, the other is a loser who deserves to have infinites works in the old way.  This one can have the new OH and no bounce after air OS.  Maybe even the OS DMG (though I still prefer there be more to it than beating to half-life nice as that is to have as a means to get it briefly).  Even if just a wake-up punish (early into it) that baits a potential false OS (get grabbed, son).  I'd probably allow scaling on the grab case just to punish that ass harder (75 on VH ought to learn ya, boy).

>Undead Legionnaire
>Cursed Slash
They don't name it.  I forget what this was in GoW1.

>Rising Cyclone
Weak ass wake-ups.  Don't do this after letting them go from OS (taunts).  Referred to as "Spinning Slash" by FP.

>Underworld's Snare
Fancy.  Covered this earlier, I thought. *checks* Yep, yep, yep.  A little odd this hits at the level of Staff Toss.

>Cerberus Breeder
>Spit Seed
Birthing.  "Seed Spawn".  I like false OS stopping this (bugged as that is).  Feels like a feature to me (though a free chance to OS DMG for real would be better and more natural).  I don't like that taking it off-camera won't.  Good that it won't start-up in such a case.  No need to mention shrinkage as the meme stand-in for a taunt that it is (or their total loss of medium so much as light status for aerial handling and that legendarily bad wake-up situation it had *plus bugged air hit property reactions).  What is interrupting this aside from a bug, death or petrification?

>Cerberus' Charge
Being a two-piece, I might have referenced Othrus (two-headed bro).  Surprising the second hit doesn't do a bit more.  Sucks for him lacking an approach tool (and for us since that mean it will probably spawn or zone).  The throw was a lie before, I believe.  "Claw Strike".

>Triple Fireball
"Fire ball". These being blockable is sensible.  Losing the fake-out is nice though I wish deflect and bodyblock had FF.  Would be cool.  Lack of scaling is good for low EP%.  Laughable for VH.  Just a tank.  Not defending or evading, really.

>Cerberus Seed
No Offspring this time.

>Flaming Tackle
Blanka Ball.  "Fiery Spin".  Hits like a truck where it counts.  Really weird not having it GB.  Maybe the first is 1 without scaling then the second is 6 with scaling.  First opens up (unless you parry or air block) and the second does the real DMG.  31 feels more sensible than 35.

>Jumping Bite
Should be an air state (isn't).  DMG is a bit high for what it is.  Even 3 with scaling is pushing it (15).  "Jumping Swipe".  Not sure I see the swipe.

>Headbutt
"Lunging Bite".  Who can tell?  Armor on this is obnoxious, but at least the recovery is long.  Horrible tell.  Probably shouldn't scale (yet does).  At least they won't mature in absurd instances (through a shatter, OS kill, DMG kill, etc.).

>Fates Juggernaut
>Charge + Mace Flail
I think the latter can be done raw.  Charge doesn't cancel into the others that I can ever recall.  Scaling the chest check is crazy (GK out her taking 10DMG off some King tech).  Titty Touches go hard.  Booby Bump is a real menace (not just being a 0DMG tool to flinch us).  No GB unlike the BL, at least.  Don't chase nearly so well, either.  "Dash and Uppercut".  Half-surprised the follow-up doesn't make us kneel or get knocked back so others can go to town on our ass.

>Double Mace Flail
"Double Swing".

>Homerun
Ah, this is what I was recalling.  Yeah, it is a different thing in animation and properties (though lacking a strong hit reaction or GB).  Start-up looked like it had you flinching.  Curious.  Was this a hit even if 0DMG?  *tests*  Nope.  The other is always after charge, which can be done raw and even in close, but is super baited by a single WB shot.

>Mace Twirl
"Mace Combo".

>Counter
Even this got upgraded DMG for them, eh?

>Cyclops Brute
>Club Swipe
"Club Sweep". The hits suggest it will always do it four times. It can be less. I forget if it can be more or not. *tests* So the situation is that it is a two swings. IF it lands the second (not the first), it will do the next two. Pretty sure it will always taunt if the fourth hits. Surprising that ender gets a boost. *was in the notes* Bah. Still, it differs from GoW1 where it could go on quite a bit as I recall.

>Club Smash
"Club Slam". That's a hard hit.

>Polyphemus' Offense
"Foot Stomp". FP doesn't recognize it wants to smash/slam after. Not like it'll just keep stomping or sweep/swipe afterwards. Terrible hitbox (just hop over at point blank). Shame we can't parry for a stagger.

>Last Spartan
>Opening Attack
Unique, is it? Seems like the second part of his double slash. FP doesn't dub this.

>Stab into Downwards Slash
"Stab and Slash".

>Double Horizontal Slash
"Dual Slash".

>Kraken
>Stab
"Rear Tentacle Stab". Ignores there is a left or right. 'Stab' is all we agree on. Because it is ABSOLUTELY random which spots it will target among the few places it CAN stab on a side (think there are five places on the left and right mirrored with left on only left and right on only right). Knowing where it can or cannot ever hit *beyond switching sides* helps as with the vent be it covered or not with the exception of the Knob 1 transition where that is a central stab that CAN hit us. You note it as 7/1 per stab (always a trio). While the rules for it at the same time as other attacks (can happen) are not super clear (as with the S2 bug of the missing one coming out like when the timer on tentacle sore recovery is allowed to go out), what is clear is that it is never less than three nor more than that.

They didn't see fit to have S1P1 be one, S1P2 be two, S1P3 be N/A, S2P1 for three, S2P2 for four and N/A for S2P3 plus S3. Should I take it the part hitting in the air is the main portion (7)? The shockwave as the 1? Surprising to have that scale, too. All for the same RP. Really dislike there not being a good tell for this before it comes down on a specific spot or what pattern there will be. No brief flashes, shadows or anything. Couldn't even vary it with the Stage/Phase to limit possibilities? Whatever. If you're in the open where it can land, just know your ass is out with pants down.

It is bogus we cannot hit the knob during this with PR or any attack high enough. Just not a valid hurtbox at this point. Likewise, no way to bait open the vent so it can stab the center and get stuck with either. No 'foreground stab' to bait into walls for a ceiling case, either. I've spoken before on wanting more ways to work the level. We can't get high ground, climb by catching the tentacle during stabs (even if needing to get a little in before getting off or risk being tossed off possibly with RO or just grabbed with the mouth then spat out after munching as done to Last Spartan pre-S3). Using the horn to stun it could have been a thing as with leaping off the Kraken or gliding from the vent to the place where AotF statue is to work that into our toolkit. Then there is how the HP is handled, but we've discussed this before. Making the boss more open suits me better (dislike as well the handling of the right *his left* with instant recovery as useful as it was for my Altering cheese).

NOTE: Bonus hit for right (its left) stab is just another for the pile.

>Thrash
Only the first of the slams can hit near the extreme side. Some other blind spots for the full attack. As ever, worth knowing when dealing with an environmental boss. Four hits? Only looks like three slaps. Maybe three strokes on the pillar, too? That would imply six. Curious. Think the second and third slams can hit the center. Not so much the foreground. Don't remember if this version works like the S3 transition multi-thrash where you can run along the background (against the boss). "Front Tentacle Swipe"...? They don't list a 'Rear' (Right) one despite it having this move, too. Odd. No recovery case, either.

>Slam
The main anti-central tool. Easily stepped to either side. "Front" and "Rear" talk for this "Tentacle Slam". We agree on 'Slam', at least. While the knob makes off like a bandit again (and we can't even briefly punish by climbing into ceiling *rather than wall as with stab* state), it is nice the headsore lowers enough to be easily punished. Still think the lack of orb releases from 'rightside' or ever increasing downtimes (ideally disabling the stabs so even S1 can have ease of approach without baiting) is an oversight.

>Puke
"Vomit". So long as it doesn't bug out (effect with no globs). Surprised these scale. This opp also has a taunt (roar). Puke is easily forced with things hitting the head. Wasn't just WB. I recall CR worked. Don't recall it for weapons at all. Might be spell specific. I forget if PR provokes it. Can't recall air AQ doing that. Pretty sure AR didn't. Being able to do this during other animations is annoying as with changing where it fires with each shot. Pushing us back even during moving of the corpse is super frustrating. Can't push PR. I forget if AQ was open to it. Pretty sure others are.

>Simultaneous Thrash
S3 transition starter. "Dual Tentacle Slam". You can clearly see four attacks this time. Still has blind spots. Surprising they don't let it be more buff.

>Thrash
"Front Tentacle Slam". Not being able to jump up on those pillars it holds onto to slap the head (using the tentacles in neutral as footholds) is lame (just have it try to blow you off, grab you, eat you, etc. if staying there too long).

NOTE: For 'missing' attacks, the central stab for S1 knob is one. I don't recall if being in the air during S2 knob can hit us. Doubtful. 'Recovery' slams wasn't gone over, but it might just be exactly the same as the regular move (making that needless).

>Lahkesis
>Triple Attack
"Staff Swing". The hit property note is odd. How particular.

>Green Projectile
"Single Orb Attack". 0/5? Ah, like Rock Toss.

>Spread Projectile
"Triple Orb Attack". Floor ones are weaker, eh? Fair. If we can be hit by two or more per swing of the six sent our way, that suggests 4/4/4/4/4/4 (24). 240DMG for GK, so you die. How nice that the staff portion isn't even a partial of the real swings. Her still taking DMG each time she returns it is nice. I presume the projectile coming at us isn't any different (would be brutal to have it power up and botch just to get BTFO by one hitting for multiple times more than usual as if playing Tekken Ball).

>Green Mine
"Orb Explosion". Her evasive tool. Surprising it can't even GB. DMG is lower than you would expect, too. Having this scale makes sense, not so much the projectiles.

>Dive Bomb
Air blockable for the air portion, eh? Neat. I'm reminded of GoW1 harpy bomber. You would half expect the first part to scale, but not the second. Not so. The i-frames are obnoxious. At least it doesn't ignore ours. AotF cancel can only do so much. Won't stop this move.

>Projectile Rain
"Staff Toss". Works grounded, too. 4/5 when there are three attacks? I don't think the staff counts (though it should). We're lucky she doesn't spam Roundtrip here to greater effect (toss strings or longer version chasing us). No time slow bubbles and such unlike the Gemini in GoW:A. Air block should foil this move pretty well. Air trick would work all the better.

>Green Projectile
...

NOTE: The ability to hit the wall and go straight down to explode is a strange one.

>Magic Floor
"Floor Charge". One of those rare moves that blow off i-frames entirely. Just a single hit or can it be multiple of 15? Surely if hit once by it we can't just stand in it. Just on tic on GKVH means 150HP lost. If in a modded run (still waiting to see Theseus taken out there for true GKPAIN+), then that's just insta-death (as it probably ought to be). *sees note* Mother of God....What treachery is this? It gets a bonus hit if landing again would kill you? Was Jason allowed to balance this attack?

>Atropos
>Blade harm
"Energy Ray". Her 'beam'. No sweeps from afar. Might have been funny for her to clear out the guys on the bridge for us. Just 4? Let's check for a note, then. *none there* ...So we don't now the MAX cap. The look of your blocking suggests 9. If so, 36 on N. 180 on VH. 360 with GK. Very, very dead. Given the 'push', You would probably have to be facing away to have the hit reaction keep you in it even if it doesn't force you out (as it probably does). I wonder how this actually works on the Sword Bridge. No reason to believe any other attacks harm the bridge. Imagine t0/t3, AQ, etc. all busting it up. Funny as with BH taking the L (for heavy string). Lack of AotF value here stings. Luck us the stream doesn't blow off i-frames.

>Projectile
No parry battle with this one. "Energy Blast". No melee, either. Won't even attempt a grab to let others hit us (outside a QTE from the Sisters CS mini-game *shame as well we can't air OS for DMG with air Lahkesis if only during certain animations*). Another 'Rock Toss' case (more so even than with Lahkesis).

>Lahkesis 2-A
Sisters.

>Counter
Not much of one. Can't even be anti-invincibility. "Shockwave". Weak, too. Faster melee is cute.

>Atropos 2
Sisters.

>Projectile
Totally works different from before. No multi, either.

>Green Beam
Also plenty different. Sucks we can't set-up Lahkesis to be hit by it at all. Probably should be the sort of move that cancels the other mirrors for a bit so if we make her disappear, she can't use them. Lucky us the elder isn't calling on FG now (much less HPotF summoning FJ). Still, if this beam could FF them, it would be cool. Less so with the 12DMG hit not scaling. IF it scaled, 120DMG would ruin the day of a priest in a hurry. Leaving just 10HP to slap away isn't bad even for GK. FJ would TANK this, but what of breakpoints from full life? *checks* Not listed. We have it for HJ. The blast would blow by all three breaks at once. Left at 80HP. Wander not listed. 49HP remaining for both, suggests FP. So 31DMG (aside from another blast) to do them in (via a throw).

FJ. *testing time* Breakpoint 1 is at just over 50DMG (50.1 or some such) dealt so lets say ~350HP. B2 is just over 150DMG (150.1 if you will). So around 250HP (just under). B3 is just over 250DMG (250.1). Thus ~150HP remaining. Final (wander with counter) would be 49 as suggested. Doing enough Titan Storm to get down to 50HP into a single hit of Flick (or Legion) suffices for "O". All this to go back to a world where the beam scales, they are in the fight and there is FF. Result? 120DMG would blow by breakpoint one entirely. Leaving them at 280HP. Second would drop to 160HP. Triggering BP2 though just shy of BP3. Third beam for tripping that and leaving at 40HP (thus skipping to "O"). Lovely. Each would stagger them and three would open to OS kill. A fourth for DMG kill.

>Magic Pillars
The move of i-frame disregarding legend. Another hard hitter, but without tricks. I suppose even at point blank two can't hit us at once. Her full invincibility is such a bother. Good to know you shouldn't even attempt to punish during it. Lucky us it never has different patterns at all (no chasing us, starting from different places, bouncing off walls, etc.). Could have gotten ugly real easy. "Energy Column".

>Counter
Somehow less pathetic than before.

>Gorgon Queen
...

NOTE: Serpentine Lash is listed as a double hit this time. That right?

>Gorgon Stare
While I feel they should be doing like Euryale instead (and this tends to often follow the tail slap though open to raw), it being stronger than the basic version's is good for business.

>Gorgon Blast
"Stone Bomb". Odd that the AoE is fake. Lucky us. You would think a direct hit would be 1PP with the AoE for 199.

>Clotho
>Mini-arm
The lower set, yes. Pelvis Arms. Later Navel Arms. Then the Torso Arms, I suppose you could say.

NOTE: You've got a note for launcher nonsense, but it needs to clarify it must be landed during a neutral stance (not an attack). Also, bounce types work (like launch) only when downed (to reset her recovery clock).

>Swing
Bro, tell me why "FP" just shrugged and called them ALL "Hand Swipe". Talk about phoning it in. I'd call this a slap. Swing works, too.

>Double Slam
Hammerfists. Pounds. Odd it was set to the same value (just twice). Not even a GB.

>Back Slam
Backfist definitely shouldn't be fully blockable, just is. Same DMG, too.

NOTE: The 'right' (her left) sees the floor slaps as strikes hitting high into the air (not so much the case at the top). Jump the others, not this. The HP data on corpses is always appreciated. Shame IA doesn't work on this lower case unlike the one above.

>Grab
The 3DMG activation sends ND lads into a tizzy. It scaling is even more rough with GK VH meaning 30DMG to the face. With true GKPAIN+ you lose about a third of your HP with no recourse save trying for IJ to air hit chip. Pretty sure you can't IJ to the ceiling to IL (DJ) for attach into ceiling slaps without just triggering the throw. I'd have to test it. Maybe that works? Would be super ghetto just to avoid taking DMG. That the arm wakes up regardless of downed state here is a fix. Distasteful. Getting no RP from the win is also gross. At least it stays down forevermore.

>First Mini Arm of Middle Floor
>Double Slap
Pimp hand? Not so strong.

>Recover
Good on you remembering this one. Wouldn't expect this flop to do more than the others. That's absurd. At best 1DMG flat in my book. That it is UB is an outrage. Imagine taking the L to this (50 for GK on VH means that is far from out of the question even before going 'true' with mods).

>Second Mini Arm of Middle Floor
>Triple Slam
The 3DMG meme persists. Wait, this is UB? That doesn't sound right.

>Third Mini Arm of Middle Floor
...

NOTE: No 'Recover' this time. Alright.

>Clotho's Arms
The biggins.

>Top left
Her right.

>Slam
I tend not to give a shit about most these. The right one (her left) is the moneyshot. You want to bait that for sure. Learning which panel range baits it is important. One of my runs notes this in more detail. Something Zesty would be doing the community a service in properly showing/teaching for true PAIN+ handling (even ND). That and double downing (from your finding). Very odd values here. 2/7/7? You can jump straight through this move (only hits grounded).

NOTE: I wonder if you'll recall mentioning the corpse(s) for HP orbs here. Like opening a chest with a slap (though I think we have to hit them). *checks* Sure enough. Exactly as it looked. Weird as this fight really isn't nearly hard enough to figure out to warrant it (least of all with the AotF gimmick).

>Sweep
Hop it. I recall Clotho had a weird recovery reaction in my notes. Think she hits the wall once on recovery side then resets to normal moveset. Lucky us she can't snatch off the wall/ceiling, eh? Surprising this isn't even open to parry. The rest of her options are so weaksauce, you just never know.

>Punch
The version pictured is an asshole to deal with. Really shouldn't see the LH doing it unless RH is downed. AoE is a little bigger than you would expect. I forget if it hits us in the air at all. Being open to normal block is sad for it. You would think it would send us flying off the stage below to really piss of the player.

>Back Slam
That's the one she uses after recovery before regaining her moveset (if her RH is downed, the LH does this to the wall even when we're nowhere near it). "Swith sides" typo (Switch). Once more, you would think this would be more dangerous, but it is a normal block.

NOTE: LH Punch in the raw is something I don't recall, but it might be owed to how I was doing things. My notes probably have it listed as something easily avoided in terms of what is baited out.

>Zeus 1
>Zeus' Fury
Rock toss rules, but hitting quite a bit harder. Still not all it should be. The return not making him strike the center (or adding up towards forcing it even if needing two or three versus one shockwave) is crap (as with ranged attacks never being enough or counting at all). "Lightning Throw". The places it can hit are limited and strange other than the central spot. Lack of FF is trash.

>Punch
This being purely something he does after 'some' staggers (always after shockwave) isn't awesome either. That we can block it is bizarre. "Downward Punch". Should be GB with the shockdwave getting the extra hit it doesn't have (and should). Perhaps better as 10/2 (scaling for the first, not the second).

>Double Punch
"Ground Shake". HA! HA! Ass. Kind to make this not even GB. Hitting off the floor is shit (light linger). Being as potent as the direct hit is also retarded. Maybe only 5/5 and flat here. Why shred us so damn hard? That this doesn't FF is a travesty, too. Really, anything he does should have that as a factor.

NOTE: Skipping "Breath" is understandable as it is a transition post-summon and ONLY done then while not doing any sort of hit (just push). FP lists it. However, the opener ONLY (unless you bug the fight as I denote) 'Summon' (FP does not list this and Zeus absolutely should have had to do the animation when Widows ran out in my book) should have been included as I recall it hitting me if point blank.

>Zeus S2
>Double Zf
"Lightning Throw". Double 12 flat. Potent for lower runs. Bane of casuals. For us? Not much (outside a run with BH only and NBR+ conditions or higher to make them more of a threat to chipping us down). Gent's trick helps. Just silly he never wants to charge a big bolt for us. At least this has GB.

>Double Shock
"Ground Blast". Blocking the second is surprising. Not an order you would expect if at all. UB then normal. Weird how it falls off when it seems equal measure otherwise.

>???
FP didn't name this recycle of the transition throw. here it is essentially a dashing palm. Being UB is putting it over well (along with scaling). Big oof if struck.

>Triple Hit
"Three-Way Punch". Explosion is a double for the ender, eh? Block rules are as you would expect.

>???
Throw (Disarm). Chain snatching, so 'Snatch'? Robs our ass. Get MUGGED and MOGGED, Krate.

>S3
>Divine Retribution
"Spinning Blast". No scaling, eh? No melee aspect, either. Sad! Being UB is all it has. Tracking for these really isn't much for horizontal (and nothing at all for vertical).

>DR v2
Funny. "Jumping Down Slash". This one has a melee aspect. No RP for the melee? Neither can be blocked, of course. Typical.

>Charged Divine Retribution
Seems like just 20 isn't that notable especially for lack of scaling. No melee aspect. Shame we can't parry his DR at all (give him a taste of the good stuff). Let his melee version of it be immune (not the slashes). PAIN and below shouldn't be stuck with t0/t3 tickles for days. If any move should ignore i-frames when failing to parry, it is this one. BoO and his lightning for a charged move, but it has so little to show for it. Not even like it covers much area. PATHETIC. "Electrical Wave".

>Double Slash
"Uppercut and Slash". This is marked for interrupt. How so? Nice that it can be blocked.

>Dizzy Slash
Flailing. Floundering. Not named by FP. The values are amusing. It scaling for all of it is silly. The weak first blow being UB is a bit questionable. One wonders what MAX range away from center means for how many swings it has.

>S5
>Lightning Aura
They also do not name this. Scaling 2DMG per impact, eh? I suppose you'll cover the gimmick, too. Being pure UB is to be expected though I feel like RotT should beat it. You would think he would use this a bit more and you could maybe let it time out. Needed more time in the oven. *checks* It isn't covered how RotT strikes for it still won't work unless catching him outside neutral/walk. Such blows are only good for building RP orb drops. I forget if we take DMG from slaps from afar. Think so (where melee is concerned on 'direct' blows).