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1Nioh2 Empty Nioh2 on Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:56 am

Royta/Raeng

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Anyone going to pick this one up soon?

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2Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:57 am

hedfone

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I wish I could play this game without the loot and runbacks. Love the combat but those are just deal breakers for me, completely turned me off of the first game. I have been playing FF15 and it is crazy that it is less of an RPG than a team ninja game. We truly are in the dark timeline lol.



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3Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:30 am

Birdman


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>FF15
I'd love to hear about that. Are you planning on posting notes?

4Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:28 am

hedfone

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>Are you planning on posting notes?
I had to restart my 4 hour pc save file to a previous version because the latest steam patch introduced horrible stuttering. So I am just now getting the grips of it. I will post in the FF 15 thread when I feel I understand it properly. Short answer is, It is great fun. Watching the videos in the current thread, there is so much to the combat the game will never tell you, those are my favorite types of games. I only paid like 17$ US for it on a sale. So if you can find it cheap, I think you would enjoy it Birddy.

5Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:45 am

Royta/Raeng

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Yeah the runbacks and loot also kill it for me. While I like loot generally, the Alpha and Beta both gave me the feeling at times that "I'm too low level, and I need better gear" - fights tended to drag if you didn't care too much about your equipment. Which is understandable, it's an RPG, just not something I enjoy.

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6Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:14 pm

TheFirmament1

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Just gonna wait for the PC version of this game. I don't have any reason to suspect that it wouldn't come to PC after the first one did.

7Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:21 pm

Infinity_Divide

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I’ll wait for a sale. Doom will have my attention for a while. Gonna parrot what hedfone said though, just wish there wasn’t so much loot and menu sifting.

8Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:39 am

Royta/Raeng

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Fair bit of warning, while Nioh1 was quite well made, Nioh2 seems to have been made exclusively with the PS4 Pro in mind. Performance on regular PS4 models seems to be very bad at times with plenty of dips, even in ACTION MODE where the emphasis is on 60fps at 900p.

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9Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:12 am

hedfone

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That's unacceptable when doom 2016 looks the way it does and runs 60 on base ps4. If you are going to put an action mode in make the shit look like a ps2 game, but it should be solid. What a joke.

10Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:24 am

Royta/Raeng

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVVK5inm5q0&feature=youtu.be

Pretty cool watch so far, interview and making-off of NIOH2.

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11Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:10 pm

TheFirmament1

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Argh, waiting for this to come to PC will be so painful...

12Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:58 pm

Birdman


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So Nioh 2 is still doing that reroll thing?

13Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:45 pm

TheFirmament1

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So, why's no one here talking about this game? Is it just because Doom Eternal's coming out in a few days?

14Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:09 am

Infinity_Divide

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Yeah, pretty much. I’m waiting for this to go on sale.

15Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:50 am

Royta/Raeng

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> reroll
Yeah basically everything is the same except expanded, the Oni-abilities are the real game changer since you can cancel anything into them and they can even be used when out of stamina, which is fantastic.

> no one playing
If Doom wasn't hitting this friday, I'd already be in NG+ of Nioh 2 for sure. But sadly my time is limited these days, gotta pick and choose. That and I must admit, Nioh 1 did show me that it is a game better waited for, since it doesn't truly shine until all the DLC and patches have hit.

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16Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:58 am

Birdman


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I can take loot, but I just hate the reroll thing.

17Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:43 pm

TaiTsurugi

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I've got it day one and I reached the 5th region. I'm loving every second of it, it's Nioh but better in every way. The Yokai Abilities/Soul Cores are a great addition and let you play even more agrressively. I haven't tried the hatchets yet, but the switchglaive is a ton of fun, great potential for combos and freestyle, it does feels a bit underpowered tho.

The burst counter is really well implemented and functions as cancel. The Yokai trasnformation feels really weak for now, it's more of a oh shit button compared to the living weapon but it doesn't last for shit and does no damagee. I get they wanted to nerf living weapon (which is a great thing) but I feel they went a bit overboard with the nerf. Maybe it will change with endgame sets.

It also looks like they nerfed armor sets, they now require more pieces to activate the good bonuses and they are also less strong. The guardian spirit feel way more balanced, they have their niche and, for now, none of them feels overpowered.

Level design is better, main story levels are way longer and more sprawling with more little secrets, kodamas and locks of hair to find. Enemies and bosses are kinda better too. Human bosses are still easily exploited tho.

One minor bleamish is the new skill system, you now need to build profincency with a weapon class to get skill points for it, wich is all well and good until you decide you want to use a weapon class you haven't touched and you realize you need to grind a ton of profincency for it. One thing it does is enableing you save differen builds and change between them only using one book of reincarnation which is great especially to easily change between a normal and a farm build.

So yeah it's Nioh 1.5 but all the new mechanics add even more depth and fun to the game. Numbers and stats are still a pain, but the combat is still a blast.

Regarding rerolling, it still in the game but now you only have tempering you use a consumable to reroll a stat and you can choose between 3 others (and 3 more with the higher tier consumable). So it's at least less time consuming.

18Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:06 am

Royta/Raeng

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My main conclusion, based on what I heard, is that it is what a sequel can be: a vast improvement on the original that adds just enough to feel fresh. Especially the Yokai forms and abilities open the combat even more towards agressive playstyles.

Still feel a lot of the community are giving a bad example of the game. Lots of players playing extremely defensive, only attacking as a punish, only using Iai etc. A very dull playstyle that doesn't seem to play into the game's changes.

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19Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 20, 2020 5:41 pm

TaiTsurugi

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@Royta/Raeng wrote: Lots of players playing extremely defensive, only attacking as a punish, only using Iai etc. A very dull playstyle that doesn't seem to play into the game's changes.

100% agree. The game gives you so many tools to play aggressively and yeat people choose to play in the most boring way possible.
I think part of it it's the "Souls" mentality seeing as everyone and their mother is still conviced that Nioh is a souls-like and I can't for the life of me understand why. But the game is kinda at fault too, it never even nudges you towards agression and lets you rely on numbers to do the work for you.

Yesterday I finished the first run and I'm now working on NG+.
Game is a ton of fun, but I can confirm that they overnefed some stuff a bit. A lot of the sets are boring and give little in term of bonuses and Yokai shift is completely useless even as an "oh shit" button. In a way I like that sets aren't as op as Nioh 1, but it gives you less choice on how you want to build your character outside of op builds.

20Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:11 pm

Birdman


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Are there guns?

21Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:30 pm

TaiTsurugi

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You have rifles and hand cannons (together with bows), but they are side weapons used to pick off enemies at a distance they're not main weapons and they don't have moves or skill associated with them.
Some Tonfas have an ability that let them follow up certain attack with an explosion if you want to blow shit up.

22Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:39 am

Birdman


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>seeing as everyone and their mother is still conviced that Nioh is a souls-like and I can't for the life of me understand why.

They are mechanically blind, that's why. They don't look below surface level on any game they touch.

23Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:50 pm

hedfone

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Gonna try some of Nioh 1 on pc, super bored stuck at home. Hopefully I can actually get into it this time, never made it past the ice lady boss, this was on release. I remember he run back there I found super annoying.
I skimmed through advanced stuff in the OT, I don't think I was using flux much, which seems vital to be aggressive.

24Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:43 pm

Birdman


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I barely used it. Started with a spear as it was the only long range option and just poked everything to death with the first stab of default stance. Actually got pretty good at spacing it exactly.

When I saw gun builds I tried but the RNG killed me. Otherwise, the game is good.

25Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:20 pm

Royta/Raeng

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Flux is really fantastic to stay on the offensive indeed, keeps your ki maxed out. That said the game really allows you to play whatever way you want. But imo being nuts on the offensive really is the way to go.

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26Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:40 pm

Birdman


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Some guy is saying enemies react differently to the weapon you have equipped with unique responses. Is this true?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/78495268?page=5#54

27Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:20 pm

TaiTsurugi

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Nah it's bull, neither bosses nor revenant adapt to you or your weapon. On the contrary Revenenants are extremely predictable and tend to spam the same move, switchglaive ones usually do the hold triangle combo, spear ones frequently use the lunge etc.
They are also extremely weak to spamming, take a spear and do triangle,triangle,triangle in mid stance or spam pulverise with the tonfa and you'll destroy their ki again again and they pretty much can't escape it.
The only differences between revenants depends on their level and, seeing as they're based on the pg of a specific player, the skill they have unlocked.

Yokais and bosses just have a specific pattern/moveset like in every videogame ever.

28Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:14 pm

Birdman


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Why is this idiot promoting such nonsense?

29Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:45 pm

Infinity_Divide

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That user spouts drivel every time he posts. Don’t take anything he says seriously when it comes to mechanics.

30Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:29 pm

Birdman


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I just like taunt him.

Usually I don't see him make claims like this.
It's usually just these vague descriptions of unlimited variation non cookie cutter epic multidimensional sophisticated combat that is better than any other game. Posts with huge word counts that end up saying ZERO.


31Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:44 am

Birdman


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Tai, I'm going to quote your post over there but won't say it was from you. Will be interesting to see what this fool says then.

He's already backpedaled when I kept pressing about the AI. Now it's 'seems to change'.

32Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:01 pm

Birdman


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"The AI definitely does seem to change according to what weapon you are using, the effects you have active, where you are aiming with a gun, bow, etc, if you need one more hit on the boss or the boss is in extreme low health, whether you and spamming the same pattern, when it's obvious you are running away, etc. It definitely adapts to the situation. I mean, theres no way to prove it per say, but it's subtleties are obvious when you play the game."

33Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:52 am

TaiTsurugi

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>Birdman
I read some of the stuff he posted. The guy is either an idiot, a troll or he has the worst case of confirmation bias I've ever seen. The good thing is that he's overhyping the game instead of shitting on it lol.


I finished NG+ too, everything I said it's confirmed. The big problem is that, compared to Nioh Complete Edition, it severely lack content. Only 1 NG+, no abyss mode and no extra mission after the ending ( so no double boss fights or wave mission either). I get they wanted to the "MMO reset" and to avoid an absurd power creep, but it's a major bleamish on the game.
They could have easily added another NG+ and an abyss with like 100-200 floors and then build on it with the DLC. This way it just comes out as greedy, you're pretty much forced to buy the dlcs if you want some endgame/post game content.
Granted, the same was true for Nioh 1, but after all the things they added there is a bit of a shitty move to reset everything like this.

34Nioh2 Empty Re: Nioh2 on Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:14 am

Royta/Raeng

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This is a trend I keep seeing with Team Ninja and I just don't get it, but I see it in a lot of other games too. Previous games add a ton of content, be it base or through DLC, and the later game has less. Reminds me of The Sims where every new release you had to once again buy an expansion pack to even go to a city. Just felt so weird to me. You saw the same with Ninja Gaiden's Survival Mode, New Game Plus, Chapter Challenge and Costumes. It was basically a coin toss in between games which one would be added or not.

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