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1Yakuza Kiwami Empty Yakuza Kiwami on Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:41 am

Birdman


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Just beat the funeral stage.

Solid gauntlet of goons and tough guys ending with Majima and some huge bald guy. He was a pain in the ass due to having so much health and I'm not sure what are the best styles to use per situation yet. I know I don't like beast because it's too slow and I've never liked slow, heavy hitting, tanky gameplay.

I find myself mainly sticking with dragon but it only has two punches for its basic string and one triangle finisher. I'm guessing this will improve with upgrades.

Dragon has a really quick starter, and the T finisher causes a stun where they drop slowly to the floor. From here I can do the T kick as they fall or grab. Dragon has really nice grab options. You get the shoulder throw which you can direct into others and also the kick which causes the enemy to go flying and collide with others.

The T kick does this upward kick if they're falling or it might be when up really close, or a front kick normally with really long range. I'm spacing it so just Kiryu's toe is touching them.

Rush would be my second most used but that's not much. It has no grab, rather a quick snap kick. The multiple dodges are nice then I realised they were taking up the stamina gauge so I could never get heat actions. Need to stop spamming them.

Found the snap kick can actually kick objects at enemies. At the funeral I was kicking those large lantern around. Nice property.

I bought that move that let's you grab an enemy on the ground but at the time I didn't realize it was a beast move. Tried switching and there's time to get it in. If by the feet, he picks them up and tossee them like a ragdoll, and if by the front, he just stands them up. Majima was able to get out of that one.

Speaking of that nutbar, what's his deal? I thought he would jump me randomly but seems it's kind of scripted.

Back to Baldy, this prick was annoying. Very dangerous to approach as he tanks anything. All I did was bait and attack during his recovery. That and well spaced front kicks from dragon style.

2Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:59 am

Birdman


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Came across another tough guy in a side quest, though I'm finding this issue with lesser enemies too, sometimes they just don't react to hits for no reason I can see. And I don't mean theyrr doing armour attacks. It seems to happen randomly on normal too.

Anyway this guy made me really fear attacking first because he'd block and could get around me easily. Resorted to poking and throws>stomp.

Haven't seen a single heat action in ages. I dimly recall Yakuza 2 on PS2 had all sorts from the start.

Looking at the upgrade tree, what is this 'calm state' it refers to?

3Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Tue Jan 28, 2020 9:45 pm

Infinity_Divide

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>deal with Majima

It’s set places on the map in a certain order IIRC, so yeah it’s mostly scripted.

>enemies randomly don’t react to hits

This is something I’ve never understood about the games, it’s why I mainly stick to pokes and attacking from behind.

>haven’t seen a single heat action in ages

What do you mean? Like you haven’t done one or haven’t acquired new ones?

>calm state

This is just when you don’t have enough meter for heat actions.

4Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:27 pm

Birdman


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>Majima
Slightly disappointed. I thought he would randomly jump me. Right now I'm avoiding some tower because he decided to call me and say he was waiting there. I'm kind of scared of him and want to get some more upgrades first. But then he's the only way to upgrade Dragon style which I use the most.

I can't see any upgrade to increase the number of hits in Dragon's basic string. Does it have any more?

>hit reaction
I get bosses having something like this but I notice that sometimes on regular enemies, it's inconsistent. I'll punch someone out of an attack, then under the same conditions they eat through it.

>heat actions
When I have full meter nothing comes up. I thought there were some basic ones you don't have to learn.

>calm state
I thought that's what it might be. You can only use heat whe  you have that flaming aura right?

>other
I got a move that let's me switch styles after a finishing blow without having to go through the animation. I wish I could do this after a throw though so I could go straight to Beast's ground throw.

Sidequests give so much money and exp. I'm just running around doing as many as possible per chapter.

Is there any reason why sometimes you can grab tough guys or bosses, but then sometimes you can't? Sometimes with Dragon's throw, you press square and get in one punch before they throw you off.

5Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:04 am

Infinity_Divide

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>Majima

Yeah locking the dragon style upgrades behind this was weird to me, never did get to use it much since I didn’t do many of the Majima fights.

>dragon’s basic string

I think it gets 4 hits in the basic string. Could be wrong.

>heat actions

When you start out all of the heat actions you have available to you are ones that require a weapon or having an enemy grabbed(most common one is dragging an enemy over to a wall or something). You’ll learn ones for enemies wielding specific weapons, counterattacks, stuff like that.

>heat

Yeah it’s indicated by the aura, I don’t know if you have any upgrades to the meter but once the main first part of the meter is full then heat is activated.

>switch styles immediately after a throw

Hmm, I don’t recall seeing this anywhere. Maybe it’s in after more unlocks.

>grabbing tough enemies

Never figured this out either. I would usually try to grab them when my heat meter was full and try to get in a quick heat action before they broke out of the grab. I think grabbing them from the back still works though.

6Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:41 am

hedfone

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>I can't see any upgrade to increase the number of hits in Dragon's basic string. Does it have any more?

You upgrade dragon through fighting Majima. You won't actually be good with it until late game. Mainly why I don't like this game, takes too long, especially tiger drop. The styles seem pointless.
His normal style from the ps2 game wiped the floor with everyone, why does he need more? Not my Dragon of Dojima.

7Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:19 am

Birdman


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It's kind of odd seeing him change speeds like that. Realistically you wouldn't start moving slower and swinging like a bear and somehow get more power. I hate that style. Been focusing more on Rush. Upgrading quickstep and got charge kick which is nice. Only issue is it can't grab or pick up weapons, but kicking stuff into enemies is actually quite cool.

>Tiger drop
What is this?


8Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:02 pm

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The Dragon stance is mostly useless until it is upgraded to regain its former glory. Majima encounters are gated behind a few story progressions so you cannot get too powerful too fast. I recommend toying with all three stances as they offer some great stuff individually.

That said I feel Yakuza Zero had a better combat system since you could swap styles more easily, making for a much more fun combat system.

Regarding Kiwami, what you need to know is that enemies are very arcade-like. They will randomly dodge and parry your attacks, or even just tough it out and hit you outright. The game has healing items and other items, you are supposed to use them. You can do it without, but it would be ignoring a part of the combat system imo. Kiwami is by far the most brutal game in the series imo, especially its second-to-final boss which is just bonkers beyond belief. I swear you cannot hit them without Tiger Drop or just face-tanking their hits.

Have fun though, it is a fun game. Think it’s my third favourite, after Zero and 3.

Here’s some decent Kiwami footage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VMOE_8ygkw

> what is tiger drop

Oh you poor innocent soul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvfMPsMA9ks

It is a parry that is present in all games. It deals MONSTEROUS damage, usually a OHKO on everything but bosses and even melts them pretty badly. Most bosses die in 3-4 hits of it too. Great sound effect too.

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9Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:37 pm

Birdman


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Fuck!
Look at how they go flying into others. It's like bowling with people!

10Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:50 am

hedfone

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Love Tiger Drop chaining.
This is the ultimate boss btw

11Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:05 am

Birdman


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Why does he keep changing styles? Then the heat meter emptied. Is it a power up?

12Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:19 am

hedfone

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Not sure, not very familiar with kiwami.

13Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:23 am

Birdman


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On closer examination, all meter drained and the screen went kind of yellow.

14Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:39 am

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Kiwami has buffs that take meter to activate. Beast stance's buff gives a huge damage boost. That is what is happening :)

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15Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:51 am

Birdman


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>buffs
That makes sense. He switched to beast and that's when the screen went the same color as that style.

So when a boss gets tired and starts healing, what exactly do I do here? Just switch to the same color as their aura and start pummeling them?

16Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:17 am

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Lateron you can unlock a move that counters it for each style. But best you can do is heataction them. Easiest is with a weapon in hand.

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17Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:26 am

Birdman


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Some of these descriptions are vague. I thought the rush style charge kick would work at any point in the string but it only works for the last triangle ender which cam be charged.

Got more rush dodges and less heat used while dodging. Feels better now.

Dragon's throw seems to have i-frames as he's tossing them.

What's with these sidequests? So far it's just a series of scammers.

Played the UFO catcher and my wife demanded a go and was really good at it.

18Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:13 pm

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You have to understand that Kiwami is mostly a modelswap of the original Playstation 2 game from the early 2000's, so a lot of its content is quite shallow. They added some new sidequests but it is mostly really 'the first game in the series' in every regard. Only the combat is new as is the Majima system, as well as some minigames like Pocket Racer.

Zero really is the game to try if you like what you see so far, it is basically this with better combat, music, story and content imo.

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19Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:45 pm

Birdman


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I mean I'm surprised by how many people are scammers. Was this the case in Japan around that time?

20Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:44 pm

Birdman


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I only use rush now.

Anyone who is not the most basic thug can sidestep and punish anything slower. Still resorting to poking tougher types.

21Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:32 am

Birdman


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Quitting this. Has become thoroughly unenjoyable.

22Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:37 am

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Shame! Really enjoyed my time with it personally, though I feel Zero was stronger in terms of gameplay. What's next on the gamelist?

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23Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:37 am

Birdman


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I don't think it's bad, just not for me I guess.

Side quests are pretty awful but seem to be the only way to get decent exp. All they are is running around doing the dumbest stuff.

Tough enemies like these mini-boss types or Majima are annoying to fight but easy to beat. They tend to just stop defending themselves randomly, while others they dodge whatever you do forcing me to resort to poking.

Rush is the only style where I feel I can move.

Random tanking of hits under the same conditions.

Hest actions to me, feel like things I should already be allowed to do as part of the moveset. Like actual commands.

>games list
I got a few things in the works. Making accessories on DQ Heroes and listing the possible attributes they can get. No list exists online to my knowledge.

Might grab Overcooked 2 because my wife has shown interest and it looks fun.

Started a new game on The Witcher 3 because all my saves were corrupted or something. It didn't actually say that but they wouldn't load.

Will give Divinity Original Sin 2 a go maybe this weekend.

Trying to limit buying new games but we all know how that's going to turn out.

24Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:07 am

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It is very different, I once saw this video which really helped me enjoy Yakuza gameplay:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JJNPpEdQMQ

Heat Actions are more rewards, and since they deal less damage if you use the same one constantly, it rewards mixing it up which is great. There are quite a few that are embedded into moves by the way, but you get those later.

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25Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:32 am

Birdman


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That's all basic stuff. I've been doing pretty much the same since I started.

I did get one cool heat action in Rush that you can only do with your back to a wall and they attack and you redirect them into the wall.

The face stomp is cool and I always setup knockdowns for it.

I noticed that certain moves can dodge attacks which is cool but due to the random nature of basic thugs they can be be near impossible to set up.

Like this guy did a high kick while I was doing some kind of uppercut where Kiryu lowers his upper body before launching it.

26Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:40 am

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Birdman you should really just play the ps2 original, or 3 on ps4. The problem with people starting with the Kiwami games is, they are kind of ass. They were made by the most b of b teams and the quality the series is known for isn't there. The ps2 Y1 still holds up and I think you could appreciate it, though the dub is bad. I honestly can't stand both Kiwamis. I would rank the quality of the series like so

3/4/5
Very similar. People love each for different reasons. These games had systems like wall juggling that were really cool that got dropped later in the series.
Looking at you 0. Anyone feel free to correct me if it has bounding.


1/2/0
0 is hard to rank because it's so different. Still had a great time with it.

Dead Souls
A fantastic lock on style shooter.

6/Judge
The only good Dragon Engine titles IMO.

K 1/2
Had to force myself to beat both.

27Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:03 am

Birdman


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I played 3 once so long ago I don't remember much. Only played a few hours. I remember some boss in a red suit early game.

Isn't 3 getting a remaster? Was the PS3 version censored at all?

28Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:36 am

hedfone

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Yes. 3 is on ps4 digitally uncensored.

29Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:16 am

Birdman


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I read in an old Gamefaqs thread that these things were removed from 3.

-Answer x Answer, a quiz game on Japanese pop culture, which is no huge loss unless you know about what Japanese bands appeared on what Japanese TV shows
-The hostess club sections
-Mahjong
-Shogi
-Massage Parlor side game
-Something like 20 sidequests, only a few of which were related to the above

Have these been re-added?

30Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:44 am

hedfone

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Yes it has all been retranslated as well. The OG 3 was censored and had character names changed because SEGA didn't think white people could understand it.
The actual sucky part was it removed potential XP from the game making 3 much harder in the west on ps3.
Those quiz show games have been in later releases and you just had to guess, as it had to do with Japanese culture. Though I am glad it wasn't censored.

31Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:48 am

Birdman


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>name changes
They did that with the western versions of Okami and at the time I felt insulted. I was actually studying Japanese back then and all they did was remove one or two syllables from a name.

If everything is included in 3 I might as well go for that remastered collection that's coming soon but we'll see. Too much shit to play right now.

32Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:55 am

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The remaster collection is coming out soon yeah, have it preordered and it is going to be fantastic. They did screw up a few things though. One sidemission from Yakuza3 is missing in the remaster as it was considered too insulting for western audiences and the walk speed is fucked due to the increased frame-rate.

@Hedfone: Yakuza Zero and Kiwami 1 both have wall-bounces. I'd still rank Zero as the absolute king of their combat systems since you just had so many combat options and even style-switching with Kiryu which was just...nuts. 3 is my favourite though.

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33Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:37 pm

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When you say the walk speed is fucked - is it faster or slower in the upcoming remaster?

Did Yakuza 0 have style switching on combo enders? I remember that being unlocked fairly early on in Kiwami, and it was the only thing I liked more in Kiwami than 0. I may not have unlocked it in in 0 if it was in that game.

34Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:07 pm

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@hedfone Curious to hear your criticisms of Kiwami 1. I’m not a fan of Kiwami 2 but I thought K1 was a really faithful remake.

35Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:17 pm

Birdman


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>considered too insulting for western audiences
What is it?

36Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:03 am

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Personally Kiwami 1 is horrible if you don't put time into it, but if you do all the sidequests, constantly go for the Majima missions etc then it is really fun since you are scaling with the game. It is one of those weird games where they seem to assume you're fully upgraded and stacked with potions, so if you're not it is a ride on the paintrain.

> insulting for western audiences
A quest where you beat up a transvestite or something similar iirc. Kiwami also has a quest like this which wasn't removed, though I don't think they got a lot of flak for it.
You can read about it here: https://www.thegamer.com/yakuza-3-remastered-transphobic-sidequest-removed/

I don't mind the content of the mission, you beat up everything in the game anyway, but I did feel it was a tad out of character for Kiryu who was usually quite open minded etc. That's just me though. If you want an absolutely 100% complete version of Yakuza 3 the original Asian release is the only way to go sadly. The PS4 version is the next best thing.

> walk speed
If you lock-on in combat, your walkspeed is doubled. Looks really weird. Though in trying to find footage about it it seems like it was fixed! So disregard that.

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37Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:11 am

Birdman


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>Kiwami quest
Was that the one with the brother and sister?

38Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:18 am

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Yeah I think so. You beat up a girl who is a man, and talk to a woman who used to be a man.




IIRC this is the only fight in the series where you can battle a female character model.

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39Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:36 am

Birdman


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That's the one. I enjoyed stomping their faces.

Not buying the remastered one if they're going to be PC crybabies over what to me, seems like a joke.

40Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:16 pm

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Without getting too political, the Kiwami mission was all in good fun. The Yakuza 3 mission was more "they are sub-human". After the immense backlash the publisher suffered earlier last year with the re-release of Catherine, I can understand they decided not to bother and play it safe, especially since it's already such a niche franchise.

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41Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:11 am

hedfone

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>Curious to hear your criticisms of Kiwami 1
Honestly if they just let you use Dragon Style from the get go, I would be fine with it. But to have to play almost the entire game before you can be as strong as you were in the ps2 game is dumb. It doesn't even make sense since 0 is him learning dragon style.
There is weird balance stuff like the final boss fight compared to the ps2 version.

42Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:38 pm

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So I've decided to pick this back up, and I'm on the Koji Shindo fight in Chapter 7. I'm not sure if I have the patience for this.

43Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:33 am

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That fight nearly broke me on my NUR+ run, absolute bonkers engagement.

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44Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:11 pm

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You have my respect for beating that on a NUR run, I'm doing it on Normal with my upgrades (and I didn't bring any healing items) and it's making me crazy.

45Yakuza Kiwami Empty Re: Yakuza Kiwami on Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:13 pm

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Have fun watching me edge closer to insanity.

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